Random curiosity poll! Do you know any Finnish people? Defined here as people of Finnish lineage regardless of where they live, and people who live in Finland and consider it home, regardless of their lineage!
Boost to reduce bias of everyone answering knowing me at least, should it please you. 😄
I think some of it must absolutely be the confirmation bias of me being Finnish, but it seems every day I go about on the internet and watch and read things and we're just absolutely everywhere! In articles, writing articles, doing stuff and being noted and remembered in general.
"Oh, I have Finnish friends!" says someone from Poland, and I just wonder how we get around so much. In 2024 there were 5 637 214 people in Finland. That's not a huge amount!
I know there's been multiple times in recent-ish history when there were mass emigrations, and a lot of us ended up here and there... But still. There's not that many of us!
I met my Finish friend when she was working in the UK and came to volunteer where I work. We stayed in touch when she went back to do her doctorate. We also had a wonderful Finnish museum administrator come to work a placement at the museum where I work. It was part of an exchange programme for professionals.
@Fredatron We do love our academic exchanges! I've had classmates who went to Germany for two months, and multiple who went to finish their studies abroad, because their specialisation had much better opportunities in Vienna, Glasgow, some small town in France that had a museum of something... It's really quite nice that they could just do that, and got support from the government for it!
But yes. Another tick on the absolutely everywhere column. 😄
Years ago, I worked with a Finnish woman in a human rights organisation; not so many years ago one of our kickboxing club members was a woman from Finland (she hits hard - very hard!); and currently one of my classmates in a post-graduate course is a guy from Finland (of Swedish heritage) - all in Dublin, Ireland!
But it could be a bit like us lot - there's hardly any Irish people (4-5m million or so?), but we seem to be everywhere on the planet!
@clickhere I keep forgetting there's not that many Irish people, either! It does seem like there are more than that, but... Yeah. The 1800s were rough, and even thinking about how the potato famine was handled makes me want to time travel to punch an Englishman, and I'm not even Irish!
I can't beat 4 but some years ago I spent Christmas Day here in Ireland with 3 Finns (2 Finns and 1 Sámi). It was my best Christmas ever.
There are about 1,000 Finns here in total. They gather for a big fair once a year in December at a Luthern church in Dublin. It's more a social than religious event. @Blahmagefacebook.com/photo.php?fbid=98…
@psneeze @Blahmage Facebook is a terrible company and also doesn't let anyone not logged in look at its content! If you're sharing something from there, it would be better to take a screenshot, so anyone boycotting it can actually see what you're looking at. 😄
Anyway, that's a pretty solid amount of people, that's pretty much a traditional size Finnish village all on its own. Pretty cool.
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@Blahmage It allows me X out of the sign in box and I can view the page. (I don't have a Facebook account either). Anyway, here is the text of the page.
@psneeze Oh, that looks quite lovely! (And thank you for the effort to share the screenshot, too!)
A bit funny to me that rye bread is listed under delicacies as it's a staple food here, but I suppose it costs a lot lot more if the rye flour or bread isn't locally produced? I once dug up shopping details for a friend in the US, to see if she could even try the authentic local glögi... And it was a fully 40 dollars for a supermarket carton that is less than 3€ here. Delicacies, indeed. 😄
Rye bread has never been popular here at all. It is available in some stores these days but is sold as a healthy and/or organic food rather than a staple.
$40 versus €3 is an incredible price difference. I would love to be in the glögi export business. 😃
@psneeze That's some wild profit margins if you felt like carting around a lot of what is essentially juice and spices! People could absolutely just make it themselves, but if they want that specific nostalgic recipe...
"average Finn has 100 international friends" factoid actualy just statistical error. average Finn has 10 international friends. Online Jyri, who lives on the internet and has 500,000,000 international friends is an outlier adn should not have been counted
@amberage 😆 Jyri, you statistical monkey wrench, you!
Gosh heck, anecdotally as a child every single child in my class had at least one pen pal in Namibia, sometimes three, because we did a pen pal exchange with a school over there...
Grew up in northern Germany, and one of my childhood friends was half Finnish. He'd move back and forth between both countries quite a lot and was equally comfortble in both cultures and languages. When I was in my early 20s, I visited his sister's family on their little farm in Finland together with him. That's when I really found my appreciation for Finnish culture, it's not the same when you're just a tourist.
@anarchiv The quiet normal places tend to be nice, though you have to kind of try to not find a place like that if you're visiting Finland. Even the biggest cities are not so large you couldn't just walk off into some woods or the sea when wanting to 😂 It's pretty great.
the open source geography conferences I go to have a large Finnish contingent, who are usually the life and soul of the party! Open source seems to be really well supported in government and education.
I'm not sure you have to get around - I definitely knew the two Finns I worked with for years, we were friendly above the needs of the workplace - but I was never in the same room as either of them. Never in the same country, to the best of my knowledge.
Yes, I do. A friend of mine went to Finland as an au pair and ended up with a Finnish husband. 😀 They're living here in Germany now. When I visited Estonia, I met Finnish people who lived there, as well. The language barrier does not seem to be very high between Finnish and Estonian.
@OutoftheBlueDD I think it might be that the average Estonian is much better at Finnish than the average Finn is at Estonian, because good grief do we love to go vacation over there... Not just because it's cheaper, but also because it's beautiful and has a lot of history and culture! But also because it's cheaper.
Listening to spoken Estonian feels like your brain is a bit scrambled and you're just missing what people are saying, while feeling like you really should be understanding it... Reading it is like: "Oh! Oh I get why that word is like that!"
@OutoftheBlueDD My favourite Estonian word is "maasikakoorejäätis" aka "mansikkakermajäätelö" aka strawberry ice cream made from cream. It has some of the same sounds, but also "maasika" is earth pig aka wild boar in Finnish! This amused me a great deal as a kid, and it just sounds nice to say.
A colleague of mine has a Finnish mother (and all the double vocals in his first name to prove it) and my son wanted to do his master in Finland but didn't get into the program. It would have been a great reason to travel there. Not that I can't find other reasons ... Things like watching polar lights.
@FanCityKnits Oh, I'm sorry for your son! It's not a perfect country by any means, and they've really really been cutting down on the support structures and benefits for students (especially international ones) but every uni student from abroad have said they really enjoyed it here? When I was younger it was fairly common for any house party with university student age people to have one to five students from elsewhere attend, and everybody would just switch to English when talking to them...
It was a long shot - a few hundred applications for a handful of slots. He got into second round of the application process which was a great success in itself.
Game design is very appealing to young men.
He got a place for a similar program somewhere else and is happy.
But the whole thing put Finland definitely on our travel list, so something good came from it.
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I have Swedish family, and so most of the Finnish people I've known have been in context of the broad Scandi/Nordic diaspora. Even after moving far from my childhood home with big Nordic immigrant communities, we wound up in another place with strong Nordic presence. Our fave coastal town still has a big Finnish-American community, and a new park for the collective heritage!
@aehdeschaine There have been multiple times when there was famine or other misery, and thousands and thousands of Finns moved far away... Or closer by, to Sweden especially. It's always fun to see the flags and such in different places, even so many generations later.
At one point I watched some Canadian man on YouTube talk about his Finnish heritage and about some festival/fair he and his family went to. He himself couldn't speak much Finnish, but looked as Finnish as a man can look, and the festival clips were just... Bizarre in a sort of "no but the trees are wrong??" way that messed with my brain before I got used to it. 😆
I bet!! I still remember first seeing my dad's extended family. My sister looks a lot like my mom, while I got more of the Swedish but with my coloring a bit more complicated. But I walked in that room and was like, holy hell, all these people are related and they are related to my dad and they are SWEDISH. It was wild, like a kneejerk shock into my bones.
It is funny, because by my gen, we were very Swedish-AMERICAN. Not sure our ancestors would recognize or not!
Oh, and I totally get the landscape thing. My family came from that part of southern Sweden that is all farms and sometimes Denmark, so I absolutely get why they ended up in the Midwest US. And I also get why immigrants from sea-centered cultures would wind up out here in the Pacific Northwest! Transferable skills and almost-but-not-quite-the-same-as-home geography...
@aehdeschaine Sagely nodding. It's really pretty fascinating and complex and I have run out of words for now. 😆 I have internetted enough and must return to do more sensible replies a bit later! This is my personal bookmark of where I left off!
@nic Love that you can even guess at the original region where the family came from, because "reki" usually refers to a reindeer or horse drawn sled. 😄 Not as south as you can manage, then! A happy Tolkien indeed. Gosh heck those kids have had access to two "cool secret languages" to switch to if they wanted to plot in earshot of someone who only speaks English...
I’m not sure how much Finnish their dad has passed on to them, but his parents have very little English, so I hope he’s made the effort! My cousin doesn’t speak Welsh, but the girls are in school here, so will be learning Cymraeg.
My *other* cousin (this one’s sister) married a Cymro Cymraeg — a Welsh speaking Welshman, yes I know that should be redundant be here we are — and although he started with good intentions, and their two dauggters went to Welsh-medium nursery schools, they didn’t keep the language once they progressed to English-medium education, the most convenient local option.
Their eldest is now learning Welsh as an adult, and is a bit pissed off, let’s say.
@nic A little bit, I imagine! An effort should maybe have been made. 😅
I'm sure the kids are likely to learn at least a bunch of the swears in Finnish, if nothing else. You're generally hard pressed to not curse on accident, even when you try not to, and they're pretty snappy curses if not by meaning then sound!
what about the class of people who are Finnish by virtue of their immigrant parents telling people they're Finnish and don't speak English, so people won't try to talk to them in English and will talk to them in the local language?
Apart from you I know at least 3 Finnish people who live in Finland, 1 or 2 (one may be Estonian) who don't, and 1 who is originally German but is now for all intents and purposes Finnish (*waves to julia*)
@silhelm 1.7 million! That's a lot. That's... By my maths some third of the number of existing Finns inside Finland today!
Yeah, the 1500s are a bit far away for most people probably, though culture, customs and words will definitely be able to survive that long. According to Wikipedia (had to check) the finlandssvenska moved over here between 1100-1300, en masse, and have been moving in as families ever since whenever. But they're definitely still a different identity and whole other vibe even all that time later, even apart from the language. It's pretty neat.
there is a finnish family in the apartment block I live in. But I have very little contact with most of the people living in this house. I only assume they are Finnish because they put Christmas decorations in Finnish on their door, and the name sounds Finnish. Otherwise my earth science teacher in 5th and 6th grade demanded we greet him in Finnish at the beginning of every lesson. To this day I don't know way, AFAIK he was not Finnish
even here in this small city (pop. <50,000) one of my closest friends is Finnish! Wherever we are, we Scandis seem to find one another and stick together :) 🇫🇮❤️🇸🇪
@silhelm Maatalo and mökki design! It's cool how the basic farmer's or forest cottage is unique enough that though it's basically the same, they do feel and look different.
Whatever else has recently gone on with the world, I think the internet in general has made people much more aware and often accepting of different cultures. All the languages homogenising feels like a loss, though. I kind of know two different dialects, my local and the one my mother grew up with, and though the latter especially has a wide variety of words nobody else understands, my own dialect has sort of porridged together with every other one on TV and people on the internet. And that's just dialect, not a whole offshoot language!
We were outside the town, on a custom built stage on the edge of the lake in Paltaniemi. Beautiful -slow- sunsets over the water during the performance…
Anyway, having only been in the south of Finland once before, this was very exotic for me 😄
Do you mean knowing them in person, or just being aware of some individual people? Dutch friends of mine live in Finland and I have met some of their friends. I follow some Finns on Instagram, but to say that I really “know” any of these people … no.
@ArtHarg Even just beyond the basic level of "Oh yeah, that's Matti, I met him in a party once, a nice man" or "once went to class with this Finnish person who always shared their notes with me" applies here!
Even being aware of us is kind of remarkable since we're not incredibly numerous!
@ArtHarg In my youth I travelled to Tuska to see a dozen to two dozen of them at a time, before it got way too expensive and the band selection went a bit... There also used to be multiple metal bars in my city, and it was always fun to witness the metalhead karaoke!
About 20 years ago I worked with a woman of Finnish ancestry. At the time I was the administrative assistant in the IT department, so it was my task to request network logins and email accounts from the national office. When I received her information from HR I recognized her last name as Finnish, which surprised her; but I'm of Swedish ancestry and an ice hockey fan.
If we were allowed to check more than one item, I also know you virtually.
People's lives can be online so much that I definitely count having conversations and interacting online as knowing someone, if there's enough of it. 😄 Heck, there's people I've known all my life in physical life that I've spoken ten times with and 20 times less the amount as many people online...
My mum is Finnish, I grew up bilingual in Oslo, now live in London, and know several Finnish people here. The most diverse one has one Iranian and one Finnish parent, grew up in Italy, and has a Hungarian spouse.
I played a Facebook RPG/army style game. For some reason, my guild was full of Scandinavian people and our guildmaster was Finnish. There were lots of jokes about Finnish culture and I ended up buying the Finnish Nightmares comoc book
I somehow found myself on a Finnish run and dominated instance just because I liked the general vibe of the owner (shoutout @rolle). I don't speak Finnish, I've never met a Finnish person (that I know of), but here we are!
@cybervegan "Production in 11 countries..." Oh wow, I didn't even know that. It's just sometimes in the news as sort of a background radiation of the forestry industry. Forestry has been pretty contentious as of late, the people deciding have decided to ignore the scientists once again!
@cybervegan Well. I guess they still are pretty green compared to a lot of companies, but that's a very low bar, and they could definitely do better.
I do wonder if there is something about the culture, that a lot of autistic and ADHD traits are seen as completely normal, at least culturally? In person you might find someone a bit strange, but in literature you'd not blink twice at a man who walks into the woods, knows all the birds, hates talking to anyone and looking them in the eye, and will get upset if you touch his things or make loud noises. And in the same story, that man is just left to do what he likes, and what he likes is sitting in the quiet of the woodshed and whittling all day! No fuss. 😄
In addition of being Finnish people, I know a person originally from Washington state in US who is of Finnish heritage. And from whom I first heard about the great traditions of Saint Urho's day. She was very confused when no-one else here had even heard of it and only after that found out how it became to be. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Ur…
PS. She didn't stop celebrating St. Urho's, but keeps telling about it to everyone and inviting them over every year, because it fun.
Great country, great people. I spent a very happy year - 1986 - teaching English in Finland. Sadly the only Finns I kept in touch with have since died or moved to other countries.
@Sini Tuulia I've met in person two Finns, in both cases we aren't really *in contact*, but sporadically interact online.
Neither of them lived in Finland at the time, nor in the same country I live in.
One of them is the one who taught me how to draft corsets (and gave me the right tips on how to make them), and a few years later sold me a significant part of my current stash of corset materials (thanks!), although this latter part happened through a mutual friend who did the delivery.
@valhalla Related but not: Last night, instead of sleeping, I was thinking about making a new corset. A lighter, underbust one, maybe out of linen twill... 😶
@SteveClough I don't post a lot of Finnish, not in content or in the language, so it's easy enough to forget unless one immediately clocks my name as Finnish!
@bthylafh A lot of people went to Michigan! It's part of a lot of books and novels from the time... Every character would have at least some relative that went to America or Canada!
I'd assume it's the free education! Anyone whose nerd heart (tone affectionate) desires it can go as deep into their field without going into debt if they want to!
(This used to be more true, also. They've really been trying to cut down on the student benefits, not raising them as living costs go up etc. But if you really really want to, you can still go through the entire process up to a doctorate and more without taking even the government supplied and backed student loan - and that's still for food, stuff and rent, never university fees.)
@Linza Yeah, sounds about right. In Helsinki the monthly rent for even shoebox apartments (may be in good condition, in a reasonable location and nicely run, just very very small!) is about double that a reasonable condition two bedroom apartment is where I live, and three times what it is for less desirable cities with smaller student populations. Everything else costs more, too.
My mother became a nurse on the basic student benefits, went to Stockholm to work for a year, and then got the student loan, saved it... And *bought* her first apartment with what she had from both work and loan. 😆 Absolutely not going to happen for anyone these days! Friends in academia like: "Yeah I'm using the student loan to buy a used bike and some beans."
You're asking on Mastodon? I'm not going to believe it if the percentages change much from what I am currently seeing. And there's "1 votes in total" showing up. Well. Maybe not everyone "is Finnish" but I'd be shocked anyone claiming to know none...
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@JigmeDatse Yes, on Mastodon! Just in case the numbers are not current for you (as with federation they usually are not) here's also a screen capture of the current votes. It did change overnight, yesterday it was 47% knowing Finnish people and 25% not knowing any for pretty much all day, and only now shifted a bit! The number of Finns answering also went from 9% to 10%.
@DoryTheFish 😄 A lot of people seem to like the country and the people, slightly less people are very enamoured with the language! I think it's lovely, but I also didn't have to intentionally learn it and all I had to do was get enthralled with the grammar at school!
Despite this, there’s still differences in who studies e.g. physical sciences; for example, uussuomalaiset and women are still seriously underrepresented in many areas, and that comes down to attitudes of teachers, parents and society as a whole.
@davidjamesweir @Linza Yeah, absolutely. Culturally we're pretty egalitarian in many ways (and then not at all in many others) and I figure at least part of that has to be that at least pre-existing wealth as a requirement to exist and study isn't quite so absolute... But there's still all these other problems that we need to work on!
The current government is of course trying to make it all worse as fast as they can. It's really unfortunate.
@DoryTheFish The syllable structure is pretty lovely and can be used to great effect in poetry. Have you ever listened to any of the old Kalevala poems read out loud, or sung? There's such differences in the cadence of the different dialects too, some very pronounced!
I think I read a comment once that said they listened to Finnish nature documentaries to sleep because the usually pretty monotone tone of voice was relaxing to them. Didn't speak any Finnish, of course. 😆
@DoryTheFish It's the national epic, kind of like our Gilgamesh or the sagas, kind of a big deal culturally. 😄 But also a lot of the poems are just rad and enjoyable. Not all of them, there's a lot of murder and objectionable stuff since it's pretty old, but... The creation myth for example is lovely.
@DoryTheFish It just sounds nice! And also you can find a lot of videos and transcriptions with audio, of the spoken word being Finnish and a translation running alongside, if you want to roughly know what is being said. 😄
As Finnish people are active in SF/F #fandom and recently arranged #worldcon75 , fandom people from all around the world will know Finnish people (and I'm from Sweden, so of course I known Finnish people).
Anecdotally a lot of people make it! My mother's family was farmers, my father's was one of those people who cleaned up and redrew blueprints before computers were a thing. (Edit: to specify, both are educated and in health care, dad a doctor with specialisation.) It was and is a fine thing to educate yourself... But when the current job market is what it is, and everything has gone down the drain, it's a fairly solid career move for a young person to go into plumbing instead of uni! If they're from an academically inclined Lukio Always family, they're going to get a lot more objection from their parents than if the family is working class. There's a lot of disdain from academicals to vocational school goers - and some of it is due to the teachers and teaching, because good grief having seen both the latter is LACKING... But also the other way around!
It's not perfect, but at least until very recently if you were born Jaakko the son of a plumber of a lorry driver of a farmer... You can still go and get yourself a masters in philology. But mileage may vary to how difficult it is, socially.
@Linza These days, perhaps. But anecdotally many of my Finnish colleagues at work are from very diverse backgrounds and they are rightly proud of it.
It wouldn’t surprise me, however, if what you say is increasingly the case in Finland today (as it definitely is in the UK). Unfortunately it will take some very strong evidence to persuade the current cohort of the Finnish professional class that something needs to change.
@davidjamesweir I'm glad your colleagues made it but I'm still struggling to explain why the two tier education system is classist bullshit to people who think because their father was a tradesman that yliopisto isn't worth it for them.
And having seen how much Finland's professions are network-based rather than credentials-based, I can easily understand why they think that.
scrolled through the comments and but don't see any other representation of the NW Ontario Finnish diaspora of Thunder Bay Canada. There are LOTS of Finns there.
Thunder Bay is home of the world-famous Hoito restaurant, which closed during COVID but seems to still exist in some form. (I haven't been up there in a decade). It was a big community hub and continues in some form it seems.
@ottaross It was a big migration! There was a lot of social and political restlessness and uncertainty, and after the Spanish flu a lot of people had also lost entire families and were looking to start again somewhere else. At least that's what I recall, might have been one of the many mini-famines, too? 🤔
It's always nice to see the community still existing after all that time (a 100 years, gosh) and with some fairly recognisable elements, too. 😄
I knew a Finnish guy when I was briefly a student at the University of St Andrews in 2017/18. He was an evangelist for gridiron football, and talked my ear off about how deep the strategy was 😂
@helgenug Less "I know this presenter on the internet is Finnish" and more "I had someone in my class who was Finnish", preferably a personal relationship!
@Lamaskier If Linus Torvalds counts (which I'm sure is true) then it's no wonder half of the Fedi knows at least one Finnish person. More surprising there are people answering "I don't know anyone".
@tyx @Lamaskier Knowing more on the "have had personal interactions with and have some familiarity to" than "I know who a Finnish person is" but yes. And what do I know, a lot of Fedi might have actually talked to Torvalds, too!
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the cartridge pleated skirt is almost done, only requires a patch on a small tear I couldn't cut around, but I need some sewing thread in a different colour from what I already have.
the bodice is done, I've worn it today, it's good (other than a small change I want to make to the pattern for the next time).
When I'll have some time with no rain at a time when I can take pictures I will, and then there will be a blog post.
So, now, I suddenly found myself with no #handsewing project in progress¹, and that can't do!
¹ ok, there is one. I don't want to pick that one up right now
La gonna arricciata è quasi finita, devo solo mettere una toppa su un piccolo strappo che non sono riuscita ad evitare tagliando, ma hi bisogno del filo per cucire di un colore diverso da quelli che già ho.
Il corpetto è finito, oggi l'ho indossato, è a posto (voglio solo fare un piccolo cambiamento al cartamodello per la prossima volta)
Quando capiterà un momento senza pioggia in cui avrò tempo farò delle foto, e poi ci sarà un post sul blog.
Solo che adesso mi sono trovata senza lavori di #cucitoAMano in corso¹, e non si può!
¹ ok, tecnicamente ce ne sarebbe uno, ma ora non ho voglia di farlo
So, this afternoon I cut the fabric for a new shirt, because one can't have enough shirts, right?
This time it's the same purplish-blue cotton popeline I've used for my vaccine jab shirt (which uses the historically accurate vampire shirt pattern), and I've cut the 1880s pattern, but with wide and longish rectangular sleeves instead of the tapered ones of that pattern.
I wanted to have honeycombing on the front, but I've done a sample and it has taken significantly more fabric than I expected (the instruction said it would take twice the fabric, but it's more like three times), so now I'm wondering what do to. I could go for gathers instead.
I can start preparing the collar and cuffs, anyway, and possibly some other seam.
Quindi, oggi pomeriggio ho tagliato la stoffa per una nuova camicia, perché non si hanno mai abbastanza camicie, giusto?
Questa è nel popeline di cotone che ho usato per la mia camicia da vaccinazioni (fatta col modello della camicia da vampiro storicamente accurata) e ho tagliato il modello del 1880, ma con le maniche rettangolari larghe e abbastanza lunghe anziché quelle a trapezio che dovrebbe avere.
Volevo fare dello smocking sul davanti, ma ho fatto un campione e ha preso decisamente più stoffa di quanto mi aspettassi (le istruzioni dicevano il doppio, ma è almeno il triplo), per cui ho dei dubbi su cosa fare. Magari potrei arricciare.
Intanto comunque posso preparare colletto e polsini, e magari fare qualche altra cucitura.
In the last few days I assembled the yoke and collar, so that this morning I could measure and mark the honeycombing dots, this afternoon I did the first row, and the amount of fabric reduction is just fine.
I did make an off-by-one error when marking, and the honeycombing is not symmetrical. aaaaaargh. but I'm not *too* bothered by it, so it will remain as is.
Mi stavo sbagliando due volte, e quindi avevo ragione :D
Nei giorni scorsi ho cucito lo sprone e il colletto, così stamattina ho potuto misurare e segnare i riferimenti per lo smocking, oggi pomeriggio ho iniziato la prima riga, e la quantità di stoffa che viene raccolta è giusta giusta.
Ho fatto un errore di uno segnando i riferimenti, per cui lo smocking non è simmetrico. aaaaaargh. ma non mi da *troppo* fastidio, per cui rimarrà così.
I need to do a couple more rows of honeycombing, and then I can continue with sewing the front and back together (on the sides, and just at the edge of the fronts) and it will start to look more like a shirt.
Devo fare ancora un paio di righe di smocking, e poi posso prosegure cucendo assieme il davanti e il dietro (sui fianchi, e solo un pezzettino sul bordo del davanti) e inizerà ad assomigliare ad una camicia.
All of the edges of one sleeve (and those of the body of the shirt) have been neatly finished and they are in theory ready for me to mark the honeycombing pattern on.
I think I'd prefer to finish the edges of the other sleeve first, however, so that I can mark the pattern on both one after the other, so that I remember what I've done and do them in a properly symmetrical way.
Then honeycombing the sleeves, and then final assembly!
Tutti i margini di una manica (e quelli del corpo della camicia) sono stati rifiniti per bene, e in teoria sono pronti per poter segnare i punti su cui fare lo smocking.
Credo di voler prima rifinire i margini dell'altra manica, però, in modo da poter segnare i punti su entrambe una dopo l'altra, in modo da ricordarmi cosa ho fatto e segnarli in modo opportunamente simmetrico.
E poi smocking sulle maniche, e poi assemblaggio finale!
Una manica cucita, e sto facendo lo smoking sul polsino.
Il tipo di lavorazione mi sta ancora facendo piacere, ma sto iniziando un po' a voler vedere la camicia finita, e poter iniziare il prossimo progetto. Ho delle *idee*! :D
ci saranno delle foto, sperabilmente nel weekend, e un post sul blog, ma per prima cosa adesso posso iniziare a lavorare sul prossimo progetto (o due O:-) )!
@ossimorosa @Comandante Virgola :snwfn: vabbé, quello è il modo di manipolare il pezzo di stoffa, ma poi la si monta a forma di camicia abbastanza normale :D
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Si stanno levando molti appelli, anche disegnati, diretti all'amministrazione milanese, per salvare WOW Spazio Fumetto - Museo del Fumetto di Milano - dallo sfratto. E non lo dico solo perché in questo momento c'è in corso una bellissima mostra sulla storia del gioco da tavolo e sono appese anche alcune pagine dei fumettigioco della Cana. Ok, un poco anche per quello. Un appello a tutti gli amanti del fumetto e all’immaginazione.
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Un appello a tutti gli amanti del fumetto e all’immaginazione! Il Museo del Fumetto di Milano sta affrontando una battaglia paradossale: uno sfratto voluto dalle istituzioni. Unisciti alla protesta creativa! Scarica la seconda immagine e trasformala con la tua arte per supportare il Museo, il suo archivio e la sua storia. Chiamiamo a raccolta tutti i personaggi dei fumetti, di ieri, di oggi e di domani, per una surreale mobilitazione! Una iniziativa coordinata con Erbacce AFA e Piero Tonin
(German fashion plate with three fancy dresses from the second bustle era, one has a Grecian Artemis theme, one a music theme and another one has a green military themed jacket, a skirt with a green / white / red band at the hem, and a round hat with a big plume)
and. is that an *Italian alpini* costume? that's straight into *so bad it's good* area. except for the fact that the 1880s are too late to go patriotic (stuff had already started to go downhill fast)
(illustrazione tedesca con tre costumi del secondo periodo della tournure, uno a tema Artemide, uno a tema musicale ed uno ha una giacca con decorazioni militari verde, una gonna con tre bande verde / bianco / rosso sul bordo e un cappello rotondo con una grossa piuma)
e quella cosa. è un costume a tema alpini? fa il giro. (ma gli 1880 sono troppo tardi per gli istinti di patriottismo, le cose avevano già iniziato a finire male)
Il corpo dei bersaglieri (e relativo cappello piumato¹) fu istituito nel 1836, quindi ci sta che nel 1880 fossero abbastanza famosi da fare una versione per signora del famoso cappello.
@Kermode I could, but I'm not going to do anything Italian-military themed past the second war of independence (1859), that's when the Italian army started to be the thing that is sent to crush peaceful popular protest rather than, well, something that didn't exist (because no Italy) and thus may be pictured in a positive way by the people interacting as allies with the Sardinian army (out of which the Italian army was born) :D
@Yaku 🐗 ah, giusto, nel senso che se lo stampi su richiesta stai vendendo il servizio di stampa, mentre se tu tenessi il modello stampato in negozio sarebbe un problema, giusto?
Something I stumbled upon recently. Considering the number of book lovers around Mastodon, this seems like a must-share.
"Standard Ebooks is a volunteer-driven project that produces new editions of public domain ebooks that are lovingly formatted, open source, free of U.S. copyright restrictions, and free of cost."
am I the only one who thinks about the Roman empire often enough to remember that having a king is actually a bad thing, and it's much safer if those powers are split between two consuls, a pontifex, a rex sacrorum and all of the proper magistrates?
uspol per vie traverse, pensare all'impero romano(TM)
ma sono l'unica che pensa abbastanza spesso all'impero romano da ricordarsi che un re è una pessima cosa, ed è molto meglio dividere quei poteri tra due consoli, un pontefice, un rex sacrorum e tutti gli opportuni magistrati?
Però è soltanto nel 1700 che si hanno le monarchie assolute, altrimenti i re o gli imperatori post impero romano, dovevano invocare gli stati generali prima di mettere tasse o fare guerre...
uspol per vie traverse, pensare all'impero romano(TM)
@🧊 freezr 🥶 stavo pensando più alla pessima fama dell'ultimo re di roma, e agli imperatori (che a causa di quella pessima fama si sono sempre assicurati di far sapere a tutti che loro *non erano assolutamente* dei re — ma di fatto avevano riaccentrato tutti i poteri rilevanti), e a quanto un cattivo imperatore riuscisse a causare disastri
poi non so come fosse l'equilibrio dei poteri nell'impero romano d'oriente, durante il medioevo, credo più accentrato rispetto a molti stati dell'europa occidentale
(ah, e ovviamente le monarchie europee attuali, al massimo con una rilevante eccezione, rientrano pienamente nel caso di poteri opportunamente suddivisi)
Gli imperatori Romani erano assoluti, sebbene fare l'imperatore era un rischio perché si moriva piuttosto facilmente e nessuno si scandalizzava per un imperatore assassinato... 😁
Have I finished the cartridge pleated skirt? of course not (it's getting closer, however)
Have I started to cut the lining fabric for the next project? maaaaaybe :D
I need a bodice to go with that skirt, and this morning I had some time when I could cut some fabric and quickly sew a mockup by machine.
I'm not 100% sure about the result, I may need to remove a bit of ease, but the fabric I'm going to use for the bodice was cheap enough¹ that I think I will cut it and I can always take it in later.
¹ a mystery fabric that was listed as something like 100% cotton, but had “lana” (wool) in the name, smells like wet sheep when wet, and looks and feels as if it has a cotton (or other plant fiber) in the weft and wool in the warp.
Ho finito la gonna arricciata? ovviamente no (ci sono quasi però)
Ho iniziato a tagliare la fodera per il prossimo progetto? potrei :D
Con quella gonna ci vuole un corpetto, e stamattina avevo del tempo in cui potevo tagliare della stoffa e cucire al volo a macchina un provino.
Non sono sicura al 100% del risultato, forse dovrò togliere un po' di agio, ma la stoffa che userò era abbastanza economica¹ che credo che alla prossima occasione la taglierò, e al massimo sono sempre in tempo a stringerlo poi.
¹ una stoffa a sorpresa che era venduta come 100% cotone, aveva la parola lana nel nome, odora di pecora bagnata quando è bagnata e da l'impressione di avere l'ordito di cotone (o altre fibre vegetali) e la trama di lana.
three out of four panels of the bodice have been lined, and I could now start assembling them and try it on.
except for the fact that I suspect that a better way to do it would be to finish the lacing eyelets before assembling the bodice. it's probably not that much of a difference, but I'm also writing down instructions, and I want to do things right.
and this means that I have to wait MOAR time to see how the bodice will look like!
tre pezzi su quattro del corpetto sono stati foderati, e potrei iniziare a cucirli assieme e provarlo.
se non fosse che sospetto che sia meglio rifinire gli occhielli sui pezzi separati, prima di avere tutto il corpetto assemblato. non credo che sia una differenza enorme, ma sto anche scrivendo delle istruzioni, e quindi preferisco fare le cose fatte bene.
ma questo significa che devo aspettare PIÙ tempo prima di vedere come sta venendo il corpetto!
@Vi 💙 ma sai che l'idea di imbastire non mi era neanche venuta in mente?
avevo imbastito (a macchina) la fodera, quindi un'idea che la taglia non sia completamente sbagliata ce l'ho, ma adesso che sono ad un punto in cui si può assemblare solo a mano non mi ero neanche posta il problema di poterlo fare in modo temporaneo :)
però è anche vero che per quanto poco tempo, è tutto tempo non passato facendo disperatamente occhielli :D
ci siamo accortə che con versioni non aggiornate di #Firefox mobile ci sono dei problemi con l'impostazione della privacy dei post, si rischia per esempio di toottare a tootti quando si desidera fare un messaggio diretto. Aggiornate Firefox!
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It has taken way longer than we hoped, but we now have our own instance. I have just finished migrating my account so I would appreciate it if you could boost this post so our little instance gets noticed by a bunch of servers. Here's a picture of my cats Huginn and Muninn so I am at least adding something to the fediverse instead of just asking for something.
on Monday I knew I had to expect running to catch a couple of trains. I wasn't sure, but couldn't rule out being able running from the train to another place (including up and down some stairs) to be able to do one extra thing other than what I had to do.
*Why* did I decide to wear my highest heels¹?
Now, on *Wednesday* my right thigh is still hurting!
(Also, I love being in this kind of pain, because it gives me an excuse to complain :D )
¹ they aren't that high, and they are pretty comfortable as far as high heel shoes go, but I haven't been wearing them for a while, and I need to get back to being used to them.
Lunedì sapevo di dover correre per prendere un paio di treni. Non ero sicura di farcela, ma avevo la possibilità di correre dal treno ad un altro posto (compreso fare su e giù da delle scale) per riuscire ad infilare un'altra cosa oltre a quello che dovevo fare.
*Perché* ho deciso di mettere le scarpe col tacco più alto¹ che ho?
Oggi è *mercoledì*, e la mia coscia destra fa ancora male!
(Inoltre, adoro questo genere di dolori, perché mi da una scusa per lamentarmi :D )
¹ non sono così alti, e come scarpe col tacco sono decisamente comode, ma non le ho messe per un po' di tempo e devo riabituarmici
Nel 1977 comprai a Napoli un paio di scarpe (da uomo) con tacco 12 stile "Cuban heel", con estrema invidia di un mio prof che avrebbe voluto essere più alto.
tastinghistory.com/recipes/rom… girellando per l'internet l'altro giorno mi è stato detto che datteri simili a questi venivano venduti come snack agli incontri di gladiatori. ora, non ho fatto fact checking, ma la ricetta sembra estremamente buona anche se non sono romani
“Dulcia domestica: palmulas vel dactilos excepto semine, nuce vel nucleis vel piper tritum infercies. sales foris contingis, frigis in melle cocto, et inferes. ”
che così ad occhio sembra la ricetta che citano su quella pagina, e direi “good enough” per chiamarli romani :D
(non ho fatto fact checking sul fatto che li vendessero veramente al colosseo, ma ho finito di fare colazione e dovrei mettermi a fare cose sensate :D )
o forse ho fatto progressi su un progetto esistente? la parte elettronica è stata iniziata qualche settimana fa (e sta bene o male funzionando da un po')
Periodic reminder that #sewing a 18th century style shirt completely by hand:
* doesn't require any expensive equipment; * doesn't require any particular space; * can be done with cheap materials; * is easy enough that a (18th century) child can do it; * probably takes less time than you think.
@David de Groot it *does* depend on how much time you think it would take :D
If you think it can be done as a one day make, it probably can't :D
(and it also depends on how fast somebody is at sewing, and that's related to how proficient one is, and unless one is already pretty good at it it is quite likely to improve in the course of the project)
promemoria periodico del fatto che cucire interamente a mano una camicia settecentesca:
* non richiede strumenti costosi; * non richiede molto spazio per lavorare; * si può fare con materiali economici; * è così facile che lo può fare una bambina (del settecento); * probabilmente richiede meno tempo di quanto si possa pensare.
@Jonobie I've followed Bernadette Banner's pirate shirt video (or rather, the notes I took from her video, pausing and resuming and fast forwarding as needed while cursing video as a tutorial format :D ), except for the fact that I added two small triangular gussets at the neck taken from some blog post (I don't remember where).
And if you are a terrible hand sewer, you are definitely not going to finish it in one day :D and you're pretty likely to be a less terrible sewer when the shirt is done :D
these two links will self-destruct in a week, and I haven't re-read that text, so they may be missing bits (and they *are* full of typos), but maybe together with the videos they can be useful
Let's take a moment to remember the guy who made sure we don't have to change Every Goddamn Clock today, David L. Mills, creator of Network Time Protocol (NTP) who passed last year.
My wristwatch is synced to my phone, which is synced to the internet, which knows that time it is right now thanks to David Mills. Cheers to his memory 🥃
yesterday evening we had one of those wild nights where you have to turn on the air purifier afterwards
i.e., we had friends over, and one of them mentioned that he would have enjoyed learning how to solder, and suddenly on a low table (yeah, not ideal) there was a soldering iron, with all the accessories, perfboard, a box of resistors (and some LEDs that didn't get used)
ieri sera c'è stata una di quelle seratone campali in cui c'è bisogno di accendere i filtri per l'aria
ovvero, c'erano degli amici, uno ha detto che gli sarebbe piaciuto imparare a saldare, e all'improvviso su un tavolino (un po' troppo basso) sono apparsi un saldatore con tutti gli accessori, della millefori, una scatola di resistenze (e qualche LED che non è stato usato)
questo è stato il traguardo più importante, poi che sia riuscito a fare una saldatura decente è un plus non indifferente, tutto grazie al tutor @diegor ❤️
aaaaargh, what do you mean ls: cannot access '/mnt/usbc1/DCIM': Input/output error
yes, I have been having issues reading from that SD for some time now, but surely it was the reader, not the SD itself, since trying it again worked the second or third time.
RIGHT?
(recovery attempts will happen later on, and thankfully it's just a few pictures from the skirt I'm making (which means that there won't be step-by-step pictures in the instructions I'm writing, but I can always make a second skirt later on) and not pictures taken during an unique trip / meeting of friends)
aaaaargh, cosa intendi dire con ls: cannot access '/mnt/usbc1/DCIM': Input/output error
sì, ultimamente quell'SD stava dando un po' di problemi, ma sicuramente era il lettore, non l'SD, dato che a riprovare a leggere alla seconda o terza volta funzionava sempre.
VERO?
(più tardi proverò a fare qualche tentativo di recovery, e per fortuna sono solo un po' di foto della gonna che sto facendo (quindi nelle istruzioni non ci saranno le foto passo-passo, ma posso sempre fare una seconda gonna simile più avanti), e non foto scattate durante qualcosa di unico come un viaggio o un incontro con amici)
Seeing some folks complain about an influx of Only Fans accounts here.
Reminder that sex work is real work and sex workers should be respected!
I get if folks don't want to see that kind of content, but shaming them off fedi ain't it. Graciously teaching them about hashtags and content warnings (and learning to use your own content filtering tools) is the community way.
Eta. Spam bot accounts are not the same thing. So don't call them the same thing!
Expanding: if you want to complain about accounts that are clearly spam bots masquerading as only fans accounts... Do that. Complain about the scam, and the bots.
Just blanket calling those accounts Only Fans accounts suggests a disrespect for actual sex workers trying to make a living imho.
The language we use when we talk about things is important and can subconsciously have impact on thinking, both for ourselves and for society as a whole.
As someone who has been tracking and reporting on various kinds of censorship (using the word in its loosest sense) of adult materials on social media platforms for the last 15 years under the hashtag #pornocalypse, I agree with you wholeheartedly because it is EXTREMELY common for every kind of adult content and topic (and also LGBTQ+ discussion of every sort) to be suppressed as "spam". Platforms and people are SUPER quick to use that word about stuff they don't like.
I'm making a folky-style cartridge-pleated skirt, from two (unmatched) curtains that have been probably sewn by my grandmother or her sister from what look like fabric remnants or something (they were pieced from multiple panels)
no pictures yet because I'm lazy and it's dark
also, the cartridge pleating needs to be done by hand, so of course I'm also sewing by hand all of the straight seams that could have easily be done by machine :D
Sto facendo una gonna arricciata¹ in stile vagamente folk, partendo da due tendine che probabilmente erano state cucite da mia nonna o da sua sorella usando degli avanzi di stoffa, dato che erano formate da pannelli cuciti assieme.
non ci sono foto perché sono pigra ed è già buio
ah, e la tecnica di arricciatura che uso si può fare solo a mano, quindi ovviamente sto cucendo a mano anche le cuciture dritte che si sarebbero potute tranquillamente fare a macchina.
¹ non ho idea di come si chiami in italiano la tecnica, “cartridge pleating” in inglese, che sto usando per arricciare, e internet non mi sta aiutando
The fabric has a bit of musty smell, but it's the smell of the house¹ it came from, so it feels almost nice. (and it's not *too much*, and I hope that by wearing and washing it multiple times it will go away)
also, as soon as I'll have finished sewing I'll have to patch a couple of tears in the fabric that I couldn't cut around, so basically pre-distressed clothing! how fashionable! :D (I'm waiting to do it afterwards to use whatever bits of fabric I'm left with. and also because I want to start sewing first :D )
¹ for values of “house” with a roof, walls and even floors. and rain water from a cistern with a hand pump that comes out of a convenient tap, and even a toilet! and not much else :D it has not been inhabited for quite a few decades :D
La stoffa ha un leggero odore di umido, ma è l'odore della casa¹ da cui arriva, per qui fa quasi piacere. (e non è *troppo* intenso, e spero che indossandola e lavandola più volte vada via)
e tra l'altro, appena finito di cucire dovrò mettere delle toppe su un paio di strappi nella stoffa che non sono riuscita ad evitare, quindi fondamentalmente è abbigliamento pre-rovinato! così alla moda! (ho deciso di mettere le toppe alla fine perché così posso usare gli avanzi di stoffa,ma anche perché adesso volevo mettermi subito a cucire :D )
¹ per valori di “casa” che hanno un tetto, dei muri e perfino dei pavimenti. e acqua piovana in una cisterna con una pompa a mano, che esce da un comodo rubinetto, e persino un WC! e non molto altro :D non è più abitata da svariati decenni :D
Hey, I didn't know that the Italian word for fabric was nearly identical to the Dutch (stof)! Mildly surprised because Dutch is a Germanic language and Italian is a Romantic one, but then there's plenty of crossover between European languages regardless...
Also, why have I decided to neaten the edges of the side seams with a prick stitch instead of a much faster hemstitch? The look from the right side is different, but not *that* different.
(and yes, I'm not using matching thread, because I didn't have any and I want to do this *completely* from the stash, rather than my recent rule of “main fabric from the stash, everything else is fair game”)
E tra l'altro, perché ho deciso di rifinire i margini di cucitura con un punto indietro spaziato anziché con il solito punto da orlo che è molto più veloce? Dal dritto l'aspetto è diverso, ma non *così* diverso.
(e sì, non sto usando filo in tinta, perché non ne avevo, e per questo progetto voglio usare solo cose che ho già, anziché la regola che sto usando di recente in cui devo già avere la stoffa principale, ma tutto il resto può essere acquistato)
Ho finito di cucire un risguardo all'orlo, e uno in cima perché sono a corto di stoffa, quindi pensavo di essere praticamente pronta per iniziare l'arricciatura.
Il risguardo in cima:
(credo che scucirò solo il pezzetto sopra alle giunte e ricucirò quelle nell'altro senso, e poi riattaccherò il tutto alla gonna)
@rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua di sicuro fa molto più male l'ago grosso che mi sono appena infilata nel dito cucendo i fili per l'arricciatura (non so che numero sia) che non il 10 fine fine che potrebbe pungermi leggermente attraverso la gonna che ho addosso :D
oltre al fatto che se perdo altri 15 kg finisco pericolosamente sottopeso
(e poi a quel punto il cinturino della gonna rimane troppo stretto e non si chiude più, e devo comunque cambiare cose, che mi pare il motivo principale per non farlo, giusto? :D )
TFW: unpicking a topstitch seam at just about 1 mm from a fold in the fabric, done by somebody¹ who had learned to set the length of the machine stitches from somebody who had probably learned in the Victorian era or something, because they are like 1.6 mm long.
OTOH, I'm happy that they folded the excess fabric in this curtain instead of cutting it away, because it means I have MOAR fabric to reuse.
¹ either a direct ancestor of mine, or the sister of one
TFW stai disfando un'impuntura a circa 1 mm dalla piegatura della stoffa, fatta da qualcuno¹ che aveva imparato ad impostare la lunghezza dei punti della macchina da qualcuno che aveva imparato a farlo nell'ottocento o giù di lì, perché sono lunghi 1.6 mm
d'altra parte, sono contenta che abbiano piegato la stoffa che avanzava in questa tendina anziché tagliarla, perché così ho PIÙ stoffa da riusare.
pet peeve: when you're writing an online shop software with support for multiple languages, consider that if somebody is on the page of a product, and they click on the “switch language” button, they probably want to see that same product in a different language, not being redirected to the homepage.
pet peeve¹: quando stai scrivendo il software di un negozio online che ha supporto per più lingue, tieni conto del fatto che se qualcuno è sulla pagina di un prodotto e clicca sul pulsante per cambiare lingua, probabilmente vogliono vedere lo stesso prodotto in una lingua diversa, non essere rediretti all'homepage.
Imagine being a wealthy CEO who spends his time claiming women belong in the kitchen and should not have control of their own bodies. Or that same CEO claiming black lives do not matter. That same CEO claiming love is only love between a man and woman. That same CEO saying, both LGBTQ+ and trans folk suffer from mental illness. Furthermore, claiming that COVID was a hoax, vaccines kill people, and is a firm, Donald Trump supporter.
You probably think, I am talking about Elon Musk, and you likely support the idea of Tesla going bankrupt, as not to support a Nazi. But who I am actually describing is Brendan Eich, the founder and CEO of Brave Browser, but when you tell people that is the case, people will argue "that is different". 🙄 #ElonMusk #Musk #BrendanEich #Eich #Brave #BraveBrowser #LGBTQ+ #LGBTQ #Trans #WomensRights #BlackLivesMatter
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in slightly-early honour of St Patricks Day, I will once again remind the world of the time Amazon united Ireland (and apologized for the Troubles), still one of my favourite moments on twitter
Illustrated title page framed by an elaborate decorative border, featuring a hieratic female figure, likely painting or drawing against a background of foliage
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this was my first experiment to use up tiny fabric scraps. i stuck the pieces together with water soluble fabric glue then sewed a grid over the fabric to secure, before washing off the glue. it’s since survived several wears and washes!
the process was tedious but on the upside it didn’t require a base fabric to sew on to. i would like to try other methods in future, could a flour paste replace the synthetic glue?
Thank you for this, though it made me cry. He taught a lot of humans what it means to be human as well. His stories will forever be woven into the minds and souls of many, surely into mine.
Very few people have had so much impact on my life as you did: my family, close friends, some teachers in school. But that’s it. Together with David Weber, you’re the reason I switched my primary reading language from German to English.
today's dinner involved, among other things, Swedish crispbread¹ made from rye flour from Piedmont, Genoese Prescinsêua² and smoked herring from Norway.
¹ The recipe I used for the crispbread came from nordickitchenstories.co.uk/201… , but the recipe on the website isn't the same as the one that they had in March 2021: it had water instead of milk and no oil ² a dairy product similar to ricotta, a bit more sour
Nella cena di stasera, tra le altre cose, c'è stato del knäckebröd¹ fatto con farina di segale del Piemonte, Prescinsêua² genovese e aringa affumicata norvegese.
¹ la ricetta che uso per il knäckebröd arriva da nordickitchenstories.co.uk/201… , ma rispetto a Marzo 2021 l'hanno cambiata, una volta c'era acqua al posto del latte e niente olio ² un latticino simile alla ricotta, un pelo più acido
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Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I think some of it must absolutely be the confirmation bias of me being Finnish, but it seems every day I go about on the internet and watch and read things and we're just absolutely everywhere! In articles, writing articles, doing stuff and being noted and remembered in general.
"Oh, I have Finnish friends!" says someone from Poland, and I just wonder how we get around so much. In 2024 there were 5 637 214 people in Finland. That's not a huge amount!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Fred
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Fred • • •@Fredatron We do love our academic exchanges! I've had classmates who went to Germany for two months, and multiple who went to finish their studies abroad, because their specialisation had much better opportunities in Vienna, Glasgow, some small town in France that had a museum of something... It's really quite nice that they could just do that, and got support from the government for it!
But yes. Another tick on the absolutely everywhere column. 😄
Fred
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Joanie with the Good Hair 😷
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Years ago, I worked with a Finnish woman in a human rights organisation; not so many years ago one of our kickboxing club members was a woman from Finland (she hits hard - very hard!); and currently one of my classmates in a post-graduate course is a guy from Finland (of Swedish heritage) - all in Dublin, Ireland!
But it could be a bit like us lot - there's hardly any Irish people (4-5m million or so?), but we seem to be everywhere on the planet!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Joanie with the Good Hair 😷 • • •@clickhere I keep forgetting there's not that many Irish people, either! It does seem like there are more than that, but... Yeah. The 1800s were rough, and even thinking about how the potato famine was handled makes me want to time travel to punch an Englishman, and I'm not even Irish!
But yes. 😄 Multiple Finnish people in Dublin!
Blahmage
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Blahmage • • •Jim Daly
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I can't beat 4 but some years ago I spent Christmas Day here in Ireland with 3 Finns (2 Finns and 1 Sámi). It was my best Christmas ever.
There are about 1,000 Finns here in total. They gather for a big fair once a year in December at a Luthern church in Dublin. It's more a social than religious event. @Blahmage facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=98…
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in reply to Jim Daly • • •@psneeze @Blahmage Facebook is a terrible company and also doesn't let anyone not logged in look at its content! If you're sharing something from there, it would be better to take a screenshot, so anyone boycotting it can actually see what you're looking at. 😄
Anyway, that's a pretty solid amount of people, that's pretty much a traditional size Finnish village all on its own. Pretty cool.
Jim Daly
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@Blahmage It allows me X out of the sign in box and I can view the page. (I don't have a Facebook account either). Anyway, here is the text of the page.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Jim Daly • • •@psneeze Oh, that looks quite lovely! (And thank you for the effort to share the screenshot, too!)
A bit funny to me that rye bread is listed under delicacies as it's a staple food here, but I suppose it costs a lot lot more if the rye flour or bread isn't locally produced? I once dug up shopping details for a friend in the US, to see if she could even try the authentic local glögi... And it was a fully 40 dollars for a supermarket carton that is less than 3€ here. Delicacies, indeed. 😄
Jim Daly
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Rye bread has never been popular here at all. It is available in some stores these days but is sold as a healthy and/or organic food rather than a staple.
$40 versus €3 is an incredible price difference. I would love to be in the glögi export business. 😃
Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Mx Amber Alex (she/it) 😷 • • •@amberage 😆 Jyri, you statistical monkey wrench, you!
Gosh heck, anecdotally as a child every single child in my class had at least one pen pal in Namibia, sometimes three, because we did a pen pal exchange with a school over there...
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Unknown parent • • •OutoftheBlueDD
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •When I visited Estonia, I met Finnish people who lived there, as well. The language barrier does not seem to be very high between Finnish and Estonian.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to OutoftheBlueDD • • •@OutoftheBlueDD I think it might be that the average Estonian is much better at Finnish than the average Finn is at Estonian, because good grief do we love to go vacation over there... Not just because it's cheaper, but also because it's beautiful and has a lot of history and culture! But also because it's cheaper.
Listening to spoken Estonian feels like your brain is a bit scrambled and you're just missing what people are saying, while feeling like you really should be understanding it... Reading it is like: "Oh! Oh I get why that word is like that!"
OutoftheBlueDD
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in reply to OutoftheBlueDD • • •@OutoftheBlueDD My favourite Estonian word is "maasikakoorejäätis" aka "mansikkakermajäätelö" aka strawberry ice cream made from cream. It has some of the same sounds, but also "maasika" is earth pig aka wild boar in Finnish!
This amused me a great deal as a kid, and it just sounds nice to say.
I've only been once, but it was so pretty!
FanCityKnits 🇺🇦🧶
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •It was a long shot - a few hundred applications for a handful of slots. He got into second round of the application process which was a great success in itself.
Game design is very appealing to young men.
He got a place for a similar program somewhere else and is happy.
But the whole thing put Finland definitely on our travel list, so something good came from it.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to FanCityKnits 🇺🇦🧶 • • •Janne Moren
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •My parents were Finnish but I wasn't born there so I'm not.
But, a colleague is Finnish!
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in reply to refraction • • •Anne Deschaine
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I have Swedish family, and so most of the Finnish people I've known have been in context of the broad Scandi/Nordic diaspora. Even after moving far from my childhood home with big Nordic immigrant communities, we wound up in another place with strong Nordic presence. Our fave coastal town still has a big Finnish-American community, and a new park for the collective heritage!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Anne Deschaine • • •@aehdeschaine There have been multiple times when there was famine or other misery, and thousands and thousands of Finns moved far away... Or closer by, to Sweden especially. It's always fun to see the flags and such in different places, even so many generations later.
At one point I watched some Canadian man on YouTube talk about his Finnish heritage and about some festival/fair he and his family went to. He himself couldn't speak much Finnish, but looked as Finnish as a man can look, and the festival clips were just... Bizarre in a sort of "no but the trees are wrong??" way that messed with my brain before I got used to it. 😆
Anne Deschaine
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I bet!! I still remember first seeing my dad's extended family. My sister looks a lot like my mom, while I got more of the Swedish but with my coloring a bit more complicated. But I walked in that room and was like, holy hell, all these people are related and they are related to my dad and they are SWEDISH. It was wild, like a kneejerk shock into my bones.
It is funny, because by my gen, we were very Swedish-AMERICAN. Not sure our ancestors would recognize or not!
Anne Deschaine
in reply to Anne Deschaine • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Anne Deschaine • • •It's really pretty fascinating and complex and I have run out of words for now. 😆 I have internetted enough and must return to do more sensible replies a bit later! This is my personal bookmark of where I left off!
Anne Deschaine
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Nic Dafis
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •my cousin married a Rekikoski, they met on Guernsey, and now have three Welsh/Finnish daughters. Tolkien would be so happy about this.
I get to write tri-lingual birthday cards, which makes *me* happy, äääähh!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Nic Dafis • • •@nic Love that you can even guess at the original region where the family came from, because "reki" usually refers to a reindeer or horse drawn sled. 😄 Not as south as you can manage, then!
A happy Tolkien indeed. Gosh heck those kids have had access to two "cool secret languages" to switch to if they wanted to plot in earshot of someone who only speaks English...
The trilingual birthday cards is also adorable.
Nic Dafis
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Nic Dafis
in reply to Nic Dafis • • •My *other* cousin (this one’s sister) married a Cymro Cymraeg — a Welsh speaking Welshman, yes I know that should be redundant be here we are — and although he started with good intentions, and their two dauggters went to Welsh-medium nursery schools, they didn’t keep the language once they progressed to English-medium education, the most convenient local option.
Their eldest is now learning Welsh as an adult, and is a bit pissed off, let’s say.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Nic Dafis • • •@nic A little bit, I imagine! An effort should maybe have been made. 😅
I'm sure the kids are likely to learn at least a bunch of the swears in Finnish, if nothing else. You're generally hard pressed to not curse on accident, even when you try not to, and they're pretty snappy curses if not by meaning then sound!
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Unknown parent • • •@silhelm 1.7 million! That's a lot. That's... By my maths some third of the number of existing Finns inside Finland today!
Yeah, the 1500s are a bit far away for most people probably, though culture, customs and words will definitely be able to survive that long. According to Wikipedia (had to check) the finlandssvenska moved over here between 1100-1300, en masse, and have been moving in as families ever since whenever. But they're definitely still a different identity and whole other vibe even all that time later, even apart from the language. It's pretty neat.
Plöp Plöp
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Otherwise my earth science teacher in 5th and 6th grade demanded we greet him in Finnish at the beginning of every lesson. To this day I don't know way, AFAIK he was not Finnish
Anna
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Unknown parent • • •@silhelm Maatalo and mökki design! It's cool how the basic farmer's or forest cottage is unique enough that though it's basically the same, they do feel and look different.
Whatever else has recently gone on with the world, I think the internet in general has made people much more aware and often accepting of different cultures. All the languages homogenising feels like a loss, though. I kind of know two different dialects, my local and the one my mother grew up with, and though the latter especially has a wide variety of words nobody else understands, my own dialect has sort of porridged together with every other one on TV and people on the internet. And that's just dialect, not a whole offshoot language!
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •We were outside the town, on a custom built stage on the edge of the lake in Paltaniemi. Beautiful -slow- sunsets over the water during the performance…
Anyway, having only been in the south of Finland once before, this was very exotic for me 😄
Arthur van der Harg
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Arthur van der Harg • • •@ArtHarg Even just beyond the basic level of "Oh yeah, that's Matti, I met him in a party once, a nice man" or "once went to class with this Finnish person who always shared their notes with me" applies here!
Even being aware of us is kind of remarkable since we're not incredibly numerous!
Arthur van der Harg
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in reply to Arthur van der Harg • • •Karen E. Lund 💙💛
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •About 20 years ago I worked with a woman of Finnish ancestry. At the time I was the administrative assistant in the IT department, so it was my task to request network logins and email accounts from the national office. When I received her information from HR I recognized her last name as Finnish, which surprised her; but I'm of Swedish ancestry and an ice hockey fan.
If we were allowed to check more than one item, I also know you virtually.
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in reply to Julia • • •@jtheseamstress Here I am! I count!
People's lives can be online so much that I definitely count having conversations and interacting online as knowing someone, if there's enough of it. 😄 Heck, there's people I've known all my life in physical life that I've spoken ten times with and 20 times less the amount as many people online...
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Yeah, I know. Back in the late 90's when I started working for them, they appeared pretty "green", but in retrospect, it was mostly greenwash.
The Finns I worked with were interesting people though. I liked their directness and matter-of-fact thinking (I'm Autistic).
Sini Tuulia
in reply to cybervegan • • •@cybervegan Well. I guess they still are pretty green compared to a lot of companies, but that's a very low bar, and they could definitely do better.
I do wonder if there is something about the culture, that a lot of autistic and ADHD traits are seen as completely normal, at least culturally? In person you might find someone a bit strange, but in literature you'd not blink twice at a man who walks into the woods, knows all the birds, hates talking to anyone and looking them in the eye, and will get upset if you touch his things or make loud noises. And in the same story, that man is just left to do what he likes, and what he likes is sitting in the quiet of the woodshed and whittling all day! No fuss. 😄
Walop
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •In addition of being Finnish people, I know a person originally from Washington state in US who is of Finnish heritage. And from whom I first heard about the great traditions of Saint Urho's day. She was very confused when no-one else here had even heard of it and only after that found out how it became to be.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Ur…
PS. She didn't stop celebrating St. Urho's, but keeps telling about it to everyone and inviting them over every year, because it fun.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •3 of my grandparents were Finnish.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to maloki 🍍 • • •@maloki Yaay a Finn!
Lol, there's only a stable 25% of people responding who have never properly met a Finnish person, out of 850 people from all over. Wild!
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia I've met in person two Finns, in both cases we aren't really *in contact*, but sporadically interact online.
Neither of them lived in Finland at the time, nor in the same country I live in.
One of them is the one who taught me how to draft corsets (and gave me the right tips on how to make them), and a few years later sold me a significant part of my current stash of corset materials (thanks!), although this latter part happened through a mutual friend who did the delivery.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I don't unfortunately, but this reminds me of an amazing bit of radio gold.
A caller laments that a footballer he likes is never chosen to play for Scotland.
The radio DJ tells him the player doesn't play for Scotland because he's Finnish.
To which the caller replies: "He's not finished, he's only 28"
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Charlotte Walker
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I have had the pleasure to work for two finnish companies so far. And I always appreciate the finnish culture and colleagues.
I am still looking forward to visiting Suomi. Yksi, kaksi, kuusi, kymmenen .. missät kissat on velhoa. 😸😺🧙🧙♀️
Katzentratschen
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •I'd assume it's the free education! Anyone whose nerd heart (tone affectionate) desires it can go as deep into their field without going into debt if they want to!
(This used to be more true, also. They've really been trying to cut down on the student benefits, not raising them as living costs go up etc. But if you really really want to, you can still go through the entire process up to a doctorate and more without taking even the government supplied and backed student loan - and that's still for food, stuff and rent, never university fees.)
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@Linza Yeah, sounds about right. In Helsinki the monthly rent for even shoebox apartments (may be in good condition, in a reasonable location and nicely run, just very very small!) is about double that a reasonable condition two bedroom apartment is where I live, and three times what it is for less desirable cities with smaller student populations. Everything else costs more, too.
My mother became a nurse on the basic student benefits, went to Stockholm to work for a year, and then got the student loan, saved it... And *bought* her first apartment with what she had from both work and loan. 😆 Absolutely not going to happen for anyone these days! Friends in academia like: "Yeah I'm using the student loan to buy a used bike and some beans."
Jigme Datse
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Jigme Datse • • •@JigmeDatse Yes, on Mastodon! Just in case the numbers are not current for you (as with federation they usually are not) here's also a screen capture of the current votes. It did change overnight, yesterday it was 47% knowing Finnish people and 25% not knowing any for pretty much all day, and only now shifted a bit! The number of Finns answering also went from 9% to 10%.
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Unknown parent • • •Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •I think it's lovely, but I also didn't have to intentionally learn it and all I had to do was get enthralled with the grammar at school!
David Weir
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Despite this, there’s still differences in who studies e.g. physical sciences; for example, uussuomalaiset and women are still seriously underrepresented in many areas, and that comes down to attitudes of teachers, parents and society as a whole.
@Linza
Sini Tuulia
in reply to David Weir • • •@davidjamesweir @Linza Yeah, absolutely. Culturally we're pretty egalitarian in many ways (and then not at all in many others) and I figure at least part of that has to be that at least pre-existing wealth as a requirement to exist and study isn't quite so absolute... But there's still all these other problems that we need to work on!
The current government is of course trying to make it all worse as fast as they can. It's really unfortunate.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@DoryTheFish The syllable structure is pretty lovely and can be used to great effect in poetry. Have you ever listened to any of the old Kalevala poems read out loud, or sung? There's such differences in the cadence of the different dialects too, some very pronounced!
I think I read a comment once that said they listened to Finnish nature documentaries to sleep because the usually pretty monotone tone of voice was relaxing to them. Didn't speak any Finnish, of course. 😆
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Rasmus Kaj 🎼🦀
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Unknown parent • • •Anecdotally a lot of people make it! My mother's family was farmers, my father's was one of those people who cleaned up and redrew blueprints before computers were a thing. (Edit: to specify, both are educated and in health care, dad a doctor with specialisation.) It was and is a fine thing to educate yourself... But when the current job market is what it is, and everything has gone down the drain, it's a fairly solid career move for a young person to go into plumbing instead of uni! If they're from an academically inclined Lukio Always family, they're going to get a lot more objection from their parents than if the family is working class.
There's a lot of disdain from academicals to vocational school goers - and some of it is due to the teachers and teaching, because good grief having seen both the latter is LACKING... But also the other way around!
It's not perfect, but at least until very recently if you were born Jaakko the son of a plumber of a lorry driver of a farmer... You can still go and get yourself a masters in philology. But mileage may vary to how difficult it is, socially.
David Weir
Unknown parent • • •@Linza These days, perhaps. But anecdotally many of my Finnish colleagues at work are from very diverse backgrounds and they are rightly proud of it.
It wouldn’t surprise me, however, if what you say is increasingly the case in Finland today (as it definitely is in the UK). Unfortunately it will take some very strong evidence to persuade the current cohort of the Finnish professional class that something needs to change.
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Linza
in reply to David Weir • • •@davidjamesweir I'm glad your colleagues made it but I'm still struggling to explain why the two tier education system is classist bullshit to people who think because their father was a tradesman that yliopisto isn't worth it for them.
And having seen how much Finland's professions are network-based rather than credentials-based, I can easily understand why they think that.
Ross of Ottawa
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Ross of Ottawa
in reply to Ross of Ottawa • • •scrolled through the comments and but don't see any other representation of the NW Ontario Finnish diaspora of Thunder Bay Canada. There are LOTS of Finns there.
Thunder Bay is home of the world-famous Hoito restaurant, which closed during COVID but seems to still exist in some form. (I haven't been up there in a decade). It was a big community hub and continues in some form it seems.
thehoito.ca/
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ross of Ottawa • • •@ottaross It was a big migration! There was a lot of social and political restlessness and uncertainty, and after the Spanish flu a lot of people had also lost entire families and were looking to start again somewhere else. At least that's what I recall, might have been one of the many mini-famines, too? 🤔
It's always nice to see the community still existing after all that time (a 100 years, gosh) and with some fairly recognisable elements, too. 😄
Izzy
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •tyx
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •If Linus Torvalds counts (which I'm sure is true) then it's no wonder half of the Fedi knows at least one Finnish person. More surprising there are people answering "I don't know anyone".
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