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Posted on March 28, 2026
Tags: madeof:atoms, topic:inks

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This post will be updated in the next weeks with the test results as they become available.
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Most of the images in this post have no real alt-text: they are all scans of the test sheet at various stages through the test, and the results visible on them are described in detail at the end of the post.
Most of the time, what people write by hand will either end up inside a notebook in a drawer or cupboard where it’s well protected, or thrown in the recycling where it doesn’t matter. There are times, however, when things will be exposed to light: it doesn’t matter whether it’s a work of artistic calligraphy that you want to frame or a passive-aggressive notice left in the atrium of a building; it is useful to know whether the work will remain legible or it will fade into nothing in a short time.
A few inks are tested by the producers for lightfastness according to some established standard, a few others are declared lightfast in a generic way, but a lot come with no indication at all. Proper testing according to the standard scales requires significant equipment to precisely control the exposure, but it’s significantly easier — and fun — to do a simple test to divide the inks into three categories:
- suitable for framed calligraphy, i.e. it looks the same after 3 months of direct sun exposure;
- suitable for complaining about the way your neighbours deal with the trash, i.e. still readable after 3 months of exposure;
- not suitable for either, i.e. has faded significantly in the same time.
In the past I’ve done some such tests by taping some sheets to a south-east facing window, and I’ve noticed that most of the results were already apparent after a month, and there was basically no difference between two and three months of exposure, but spring equinox to summer solstice is a nice timeframe to use for such a test (and it leaves time for a second test of different materials from summer solstice to autumn equinox), so this is what I’ve chosen to do this year.
Rather than a window, now I have access to a south-facing covered balcony that is protected from rain but receives quite a bit of direct sun, so instead of taping sheets to the windows1 I’ve prepared a sturdy cardboard panel that I can leave on a table on the balcony, hopefully safe from the rain, but well exposed to the sun.
And then made a quick test, and realized that without the window glass in front, the black strip used to cover the unexposed half of the sample doesn’t lay flat and lets some sun in, so I used an old cheap2glass frame instead of the panel.

The next step, already in January, was mentioning in a fountain-pen enthusiasts forum that I planned such a test, and asking if people were interested in having me buy a few samples of more inks when I was buying my next pen. The word “enthusiasts” is probably a hint of the reason why soon afterwards I received a package with the pen I had planned to buy, its converter, and a couple dozens ink samples. And then a couple envelopes with additional samples of inks that weren’t available on the shops, from said enthusiasts.
Added to the inks I already had acquired since the last lightfastness test, it meant that they couldn’t all fit in one single page, and thus I had some room to add some inks I had already tested: some were requests, and for others I tried to select ones that felt relevant. Since I’m changing the test setup, I’ve decided I should probably keep doing this until I’ve tested again all of the inks I still have available.


For the paper, I’ve used A4 sheets of Clairefontaine Dessin Croquis 160 g/m², one of my staples that I’m sure I will have available in the next years, printed with a dot pattern with a laser printer, using this pdf. And as for the pen I’ve used a fresh Brause n°361 nib: loading a fountain pen with all of these inks wouldn’t be a reasonable effort, and the 361 is one of the writing implements I use most anyway. I also used a glass pen to fill a couple of squares on the paper with more ink. One side of each sheet was then covered with a strip of 300 g/m² black paper (also from Clairefontaine), kept in place with three dots of non-permanent two sided tape, put in the frame and set out in the sun on the morning of 2026-03-20, the day of the spring equinox.

While I was filling the sheet for the lightfastness tests, I decided to also prepare a second set of sheet, for a liquid resistance drop test.
On each line, beside the name of the ink, I added five sets of crossing parallel lines, and let everything dry for a few days.
Then I used a syringe to put a drop of a liquid on each set of lines, waited for it to be absorbed into the paper and to dry, at least overnight, but sometimes also for a day or two (life happened), and then looked at the results and did the next test.
The first liquid was water, with the usual wild difference between washable and permanent inks, and all of the intermediate possibilities.
The second liquid was isopropyl alcohol, and I was surprised to see that, with very few exceptions, most inks didn’t change at all. I wonder whether that’s related to the fact that instead of forming a drop it was absorbed almost immediately into the paper, and dried in a very short time.
The third liquid was hydrogen peroxide: beside the individual results I noticed that its column yellowed visibly; I wonder whether that means that the paper I used has optical brighteners, and it will also yellow under the sun: that wouldn’t be ideal, but it would also be a surprise, for paper that is acid free and sold for arts.
The fourth liquid was citric acid, by mixing a bit less than a teaspoon of citric acid granules in just enough very warm water (heated to 70°C, i.e. the lowest temperature available on my kettle) to dissolve most of the acid. I forgot that I had some old PH strips until one hour after I’ve put the drop on the paper, and I don’t know whether something had changed, but when I did remember about them it showed a deep red between 1 and 2. I don’t think I can trust those strips too much, however.
This backfired badly: the drop of citric acid never dried out, but formed a sticky paste that prevented me from scanning the results, and I’m not sure whether I’ll do the last test, which was supposed to be household bleach.


Luckily I had scanned the partial results, and they are shown here.


After one full day with plenty of sun, nothing really had changed, except possibly for a vague hint that the Herbin Bleu Myosotis may have have been a bit lighter than it started, but it may also have been a suggestion.


After three days, however, some results started to show, with the most fugitive inks starting to be visibly changed, becoming either paler or in some case duller.


And the full week showed more of that, with a few more inks starting to show visible change.
These are the inks I’ve tested, and here I’ll add notes on the results, as soon as they will be available, keeping this section updated.
When nothing is mentioned, it means that there were no changes, either under the light or under the various liquids.
Lamy Sepia
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
After one week it started to be just slightly paler.
Sheaffer Skrip Red
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
After one week it started to be just slightly paler.
Waterman Audacious Red
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
After three days it started to be just slightly paler, after a week visibly so.
Waterman Harmonious Green
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide drop looks a bit lighter than the one with just water.
After one week it started to be just slightly paler..
Waterman Mysterious Blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide drop is significantly lighter and tends towards green.
Waterman Serenity Blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide drop is almost completely bleached to a light yellow.
After one week it started to be a bit duller.
Visconti Blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
After one week it was visibly duller, looking darker than the original.
Montblanc Royal Blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide drop is almost completely bleached to a light yellow.
After one week it started to be just slightly duller..
Montblanc Mystery Black
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Aurora Nero
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Online Duft Blueberry
Not resistant to water, the drop looks very washed out, although a hint of the original shape can be guessed; the hydrogen peroxide drop is almost completely bleached to a light yellow.
After one week it was visibly paler and duller.
Diamine Forever Ink - Smoky Mauve
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Diamine Forever Ink - Honey Pot
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Diamine Forever Ink - Coral Blaze
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Diamine Forever Ink - Red Ochre
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Diamine Graphite
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Diamine Rustic Brown
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Diamine China Blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide drop is almost completely bleached to a light yellow.
Diamine Inkvent Purple Edition - Glacier
Not resistant to water, there is a drop of uniform colour, but it maintains a somewhat recognisable shade of the original shape.
Fountainfeder STEVE
Not resistant to water, there is a drop of uniform colour, but it maintains a somewhat recognisable shade of the original shape.
Pilot Iroshizuku Syo Ro
Not resistant to water, there is a drop of uniform colour, but it maintains a somewhat recognisable shade of the original shape.
Pilot Iroshizuku Shin-Kai
Not resistant to water, there is a drop of uniform colour, but it maintains a somewhat recognisable shade of the original shape.
Rohrer & Klingner IG Ebony
Not resistant to water, there is a drop of uniform colour, but it maintains a recognisable shade of the original shape; under hydrogen peroxide the shade is significantly lighter.
KWZ IG Orange
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide drop is significantly bleached to a light orange.
Kallipos.de Schwarze Eisengallus-Tinte
Water stains the paper, leaving however the original shape quite visible; is it almost completely bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Kallipos.de Blaue Eisengallus-Tinte
Water stains the paper, leaving however the original shape quite visible; is it almost completely bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Rohrer & Klingner IG Salix
Water stains the paper, leaving however the original shape quite visible; is it almost completely bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Rohrer & Klingner IG Scabiosa
Water stains the paper with a significant purple spot, leaving however the original shape quite visible; is is a bit bleached by hydrogen peroxide, but still quite readable.
Pelikan Edelstein Tanzanite
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, but there is a visible trace of the original shape.
Montblanc Burgundy Red
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, with just a hint of the original shape; slightly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Cifra inchiostro finissimo verde alla lavanda
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; quite bleached to a light yellowish green by hydrogen peroxide.
After one week it was visibly paler.
Sennelier Abstract acrylic ink 917 purple
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The Feather Pen Ink
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Eloquentia Inchiostro nero
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DeAtramentis Document Blue
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DeAtramentis Document BlueGrey
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DeAtramentis Document Brown
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DeAtramentis Document Fuchsia
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DeAtramentis Document Grau
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DeAtramentis Document Green Grey
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DeAtramentis Document Light Grey
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DeAtramentis Document Moosgrün
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DeAtramentis Document Orange
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DeAtramentis Document Purpurviolett
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DeAtramentis Document Urban Sienna
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KWZ Sheen Machine
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; the hydrogen peroxide bleached away the red sheen. This was one of the only two inks to react to isopropyl alcohol, which caused a pale cyan halo around the lines.
After three days it was still perfectly readable, but had visibly lost some red sheen, after one week the red had completely gone and it looked very dark blue (but still shiny)
KWZ Walk over Vistula
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
KWZ Warsaw Dreaming
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Octopus Neon Violett
Water very lightly stains the paper, leaving however the original shape quite visible. The other ink that reacted to isopropyl alcohol, with a pale purple halo around the lines.
Octopus Write & Draw Elephant Black
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Platinum blue black
Water stains the paper, leaving however the original shape quite visible; it is significantly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Pelikan 4001 Brillant-Schwarz
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Pelikan 4001 Blau-Schwarz
Water stains the paper, leaving however the original shape quite visible; it is significantly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Pelikan 4001 Königsblau
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, with just a hint of the original shape; significantly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
After three days it had started to be slightly paler.
Herbin Bleu Myosotis
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform pink spot, significantly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
After three days it was already visibly paler, after one week it was a pale grey.
Faber Castell Royal Blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, with just a hint of the original shape; significantly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
After three days it was slightly duller.
Koh-I-Noor Fountain pen ink blue
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, with just a hint of the original shape; significantly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
After three days it had started to be slightly paler, more so after one week when it had also turned grey.
Koh-I-Noor Document Ink Blue
.
Koh-I-Noor Document Ink Black
Water leaves a very light stain, but the original shape doesn’t look changed.
DeAtramentis Document Black
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Waterman Intense Black
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, with a trace of the original shape still visible; very lightly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Herbin Perle Noir
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot, with a trace of the original shape still visible.
Parker Quink black
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot.
Platinum Carbon black
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Rohrer & Klingner Documentus Black
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Sailor Pigment Kiwaguro
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Platinum Dyestuff Red
Not resistant to water, the drop becomes an uniform colour spot; very lightly bleached by hydrogen peroxide.
Noodler’s Eternal Polar Blue
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- which would be spend the day covered by mostly closed shutters anyway, because they receive quite a bit of direct sun, and we don’t want that to enter the house during the summer.↩︎
- and thus, I hope, not especially UV-filtering.↩︎
blog.trueelena.org/blog/2026/0…
Veronica Explains
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Also, shouting this one with the bold text:
Debian isn't just for servers. Debian rocks on a desktop.
"But Veronica, I need newer packages!"
Do you really? If I'm doing dev work and need something newer, I'm using containers. If I need desktop applications, there's usually Flatpak/AppImage/Nix/source. And backporting and pinning is an option if you want to get super nerdy with it.
I don't like when my desktop updates. It means I have to relearn stuff. If you feel the same way, consider Debian. On your desktop. Seriously.
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Christopher M0YNG
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •been running debian on desktop for years now.
Also "unstable" debian is pretty damn stable, and a good balance (IMHO) between "new" packages and debian stability.
Marcos Dione
in reply to Christopher M0YNG • • •Christopher M0YNG
in reply to Marcos Dione • • •one of my favourite ways to do this is to set my debian version to what the next stable release, I'm currently running forky/sid
Then you gradually zero in on the stable release, getting more and more stable and also keeping current packages.
Then, on release day into stable, change to the next release name!
Diane
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •The main thing that made Ubuntu easier to install in the past was they included non-free firmware.
Debian decided to ship non-free firmware starting in Debian 12, so it got much easier to install Debian on random hardware.
happyborg
in reply to Diane • • •the reason I moved from Debian to Ubuntu (for development and household laptop) was because it was easier to get drivers (ie you didn't have to) and in general most things worked well enough to ignore the few kinks.
But if that has gone away, Canonical's LLM dickery can go er away. I was already considering switching back so this is looking like a good time to plan that in.
I like/rely on the multi desktop feature of #Gnome. How easy is it to put that on #Debian, anyone?
@veronica
Mre. Dartigen [renovator mode]
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Mre. Dartigen [renovator mode] • •@Mre. Dartigen [renovator mode] @Veronica Explains Debian doesn't really do variants, traditionally on Linux distributions there was just one installer, and then you could choose to install any desktop environment of your choice (including multiple ones at the same time²)
So, basically, yes, Debian works just fine on really low end hardware, you just have to select a suitable interface when prompted by the installer.
I believe the most light weight one¹ would be LXDE, but if the 2013 laptop wasn't very low end it could be worth trying with Xfce, which is what Mint uses in its light weight flavour.
These days there are also live images with an installer, and with those you have to select which destktop environment you want on the live image (but then can install any other one at a later time)
debian.org/distrib/ ---> Live Xfce is in the “Try Debian live before installing” section
¹ there are even lighter weight interfaces, but they are quite dated in their UX
² that's what I do on my computers: I have installed both the interface I use and the one my partner prefers, and we can select which one to use at the login screen.
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •John Breen
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Honestly, I thought the .deb file extension was a Debian package thing, so I assumed they would work on Debian as Ubuntu.
I once got to name a software update package file for some product, and I chose .STU, because it was pronounced "stew" and it was a Sound Touch Update.
Because I could...
Kerplunk
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Everything is transparent, sometimes painfully so
So pls post facts...
apt is the debian package manager and deb the native package format.
apt works reliably
Fatpack, sometimes called flatpack because it falls flat is not a Debian package format. It also has nothing to do with making desktop usage easy.
Updates, Debian packages are often updated during the release cycle, there are also updated install images released as necessary.
That also goes for security updates.
Niko Poikulainen
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Auster
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •@veronica@explains.social also one can take so much bs. Windows is just user-unfriendly enough to grind one's gears in the long run, and from what I tested from some recent MacOS version, feels like OEM Android distros with how stiff it felt.
If someone sticking to such systems can be convinced to test, from what I observed over the years, such person will be more prone to "deshitify" his/her workflow and tools, even if not necessarily moving to Linux.
mike805
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I tried it on a laptop and gave up because hibernate did not work. Even after following various sets of instructions, hibernate did not work.
Wound up installing Ubuntu 22.04, setting up disk encryption without lvm (which 24.04 cannot do) and then upgrading to 24.04. After some hacking, hibernate does work reliably.
It took several days to get a usable laptop configuration put together.
Claudius
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Philip Wittamore
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I flirted with Ubuntu years ago,but since then it's been Debian on servers, Arch (and now Artix) on laptops/desktops/
The problem with Debian on laptops/desktops is that you wind up compiling a lot of stuff from source, and IMHO rolling distros rule of course.
Aelspire
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •@alice The downside is that apps in the distribution are often painfully outdated, so installing Flatpaks or compiling things yourself is necessary if you want to run anything recent.
(My previous desktop was Debian. The current one is Arch, which doesn’t seem to involve as much putting out fires as I feared it might.)
soya666
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Debian Stable + Xfce = ❤
bls
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •You know how people dread the next operating system update? Try to put it off as long as the damn thing will let them? That is not a thing on #Debian.
You know how people used to look forward to all the shiny new features in the next major operating system update? That is still a thing on Debian.
I've been running it non-stop for almost 30 years. I was only 12 or 13 years old when I first installed it. It's been my cherished sanctuary ever since.
7heo
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I've been running Devuan for years. And it is essentially the original Debian from before the mid 2010, maintained to this day.
I think it deserves a mention in your post.
DefaultKevin
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Debian netinst minimal install + kde-plasma-desktop + whatever packages I want. Nice and minimal and most stuff Just Works.
Bonus: install Librewolf using extrepo.
Dane 🌎🖖✌️☮️⚛️☸️🕉️
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Linux Mint also has a Debian Edition (LMDE), which comes with Mint's polished Cinnamon Desktop.
Always an option 😁
HRH ginsterbusch
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •kvc
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I made the mistake of installing ubuntu server on my server some time back, so I’ll need to fix that sometime. Debian is in the top 3 I’m considering.
Sam
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Download LMDE 7 - Linux Mint
linuxmint.comMike
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Brian Swetland
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I've happily used Debian as a server/NAS/VPS distro for ages...
Back in the day Ubuntu made it a lot easier to get "just works" desktop/laptop environments (notably GPU drivers, etc) spun up, but, yeah, I'm thinking the time to revisit Debian-on-the-desktop may have arrived.
Scavello
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Stylus
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •It's also worth noting that you can use Debian instead of Ubuntu in CI settings like codeberg (or github).
Use a docker image like
node:25-trixie-slimto get node (needed for most major composite actions such as actions/checkout) based on the current stable debian, then add development tools withapt-get update && apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends.(or you can use, say, python:3-trixie and then install the debian nodejs package)
If your dependencies are small, do it each time. If they're big, then make a docker image and publish it to whatever container repository you favor. Update it when you need to. I recommend using a date-based tagging scheme if you do this.
A bonus of doing this: you can just run the very same docker image locally to diagnose build failures.
A second bonus of doing this, especially on github: you won't be bitten by changes to the default runner environment that are outside your control.
A third bonus of doing this: you can use debian:testing or images based on it, if stable's too old for you. (traditionally GHA has only offered LTS Ubuntu versions for CI)
Linux Is Best
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •For a new user, Debian is not that OS that is ready to use upon a fresh install. You're going to have to configure things manually and install many other things, adding 3rd-party repos.
For example, sudo is not even enabled upon install. Debian themselves don't supply truly working non-free media codecs or firmware, so I suggest deb-multimedia.org
(think of it as Fedora's RPM Fusion repo).
And as pointed out, yes, a lot of old software. Stable, yes, but old.
#Debian #Linux
Deb Multimedia Packages::Download Deb Multimedia (DMO) Packages
deb-multimedia.orgElena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Linux Is Best • •@Linux Is Best @Veronica Explains sudo is enabled upon debian install if no root password is set up (otherwise, there is no real need for sudo, since one can use su)
also, since quite a few years deb-multimedia is strongly recommended against, since it has been found to be the cause of various problems that lead people to ask for support on debian channels: personally I haven't had a need to install anything outside of debian repositories to use media online or on dvd since a very long time (although I did have to enable contrib and install libdvd-pkg, which downloads the legally restricted codecs during installation)
DCKIM
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •... debian is wonderful, it's very easy to use... i just tell the google machine to print one-liners and scripts to handle installs and whatnot, so, other than the trouble that comes along with that... it's pretty great.
It didn't take long for me to set up my monitor either. The only thing I could get happening was a 'too-old' graphics card.
What can you do... Really a nice light setup with Debian 13. This box basically has it all.
not ch1c
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I"m using Zorin OS, based on Ubuntu. It's pretty good, but I'm growing more aware of the issues with Ubuntu (and I'm super wary of any organization that starts reeking of billionaire).
I have to find an easy way to move to a Debian set up. This computer's old as hell.
Maria “indigoviolet” Ivy
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Yes, Debian is far from perfect.
Far above perfect.
Debian. ❤️
Sashin
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Nazo
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Might even be worth taking a look at Devuan at this point with systemd going so wildly out-of-scope and in a very very dangerous direction. Devuan is basically just plain Debian using a different init. (the classic sysvinit by default.) As far as I know they make no other changes.
Maybe I'm being paranoid... based on everything that's going on right now... but systemd looks really bad right now to me. Dangerous bad.
Only complaint I have is Debian (and by extension others that don't make big changes) is still way back on the 6.12 kernel. I have to install liquorix for modern stuff, but I want something more stable than liquorix...
Cassandrich
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •This! 👆
Ubuntu is literally the capitalist-enshittified fork of Debian. If you're using Ubuntu and hate that aspect, chances are Debian is exactly what you wanted (but the tech press wasn't popularizing because they're all mouthpieces for capitalism).
Nate Allen
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •my daily driver since 2014
💜
as a not-very-confident, non-expert/non-power user, being able to trust that the OS is solid is very reassuring
/dev/loop0
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Sylvhem
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I’ve never looked back. It is incredibly stable and polished and I love the fact it’s not a corporate driven distribution.
Bearmine
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •dang you just made me remember Progeny
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