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Posted on November 4, 2023
![An open cardboard box, showing the lining in paper printed with a medieval music manuscript. An open cardboard box, showing the lining in paper printed with a medieval music manuscript.]()
Thanks to All Saints’ Day, I’ve just had a 5 days weekend. One of those days I woke up and decided I absolutely needed a cartonnage box for the cardboard and linocut piecepack I’ve been working on for quite some time.
I started drawing a plan with measures before breakfast, then decided to change some important details, restarted from scratch, did a quick dig through the bookbinding materials and settled on 2 mm cardboard for the structure, black fabric-like paper for the outside and a scrap of paper with a manuscript print for the inside.
Then we had the only day with no rain among the five, so some time was spent doing things outside, but on the next day I quickly finished two boxes, at two different heights.
The weather situation also meant that while I managed to take passable pictures of the first stages of the box making in natural light, the last few stages required some creative artificial lightning, even if it wasn’t that late in the evening. I need to build1 myself a light box.
And then decided that since they are C6 sized, they also work well for postcards or for other A6 pieces of paper, so I will probably need to make another one when the piecepack set will be finally finished.
The original plan was to use a linocut of the piecepack suites as the front cover; I don’t currently have one ready, but will make it while printing the rest of the piecepack set. One day :D
![an open rectangular cardboard box, with a plastic piecepack set in it. an open rectangular cardboard box, with a plastic piecepack set in it.]()
One of the boxes was temporarily used for the plastic piecepack I got with the book, and that one works well, but since it’s a set with standard suites I think I will want to make another box, using some of the paper with fleur-de-lis that I saw in the stash.
I’ve also started to write detailed instructions: I will publish them as soon as they are ready, and then either update this post, or they will be mentioned in an additional post if I will have already made more boxes in the meanwhile.
- you don’t really expect me to buy one, right? :D↩︎
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Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •You don't want to be breathing that in while working on the fabric and the treatments change how the fabric feels washed versus unwashed!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Ailbhe
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ailbhe • • •@artbyailbhe I know people wash silk but there's also silk you're not supposed to wash unless you want it to go floppy and dull and lose some of its sheen. Something to do with starch and mica(?) bonded to the proteins of it. Can't recall.
I simply do not use silk because it's expensive and I'd be washing it all the time and probably ruining it 😅
Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Mx Amber Alex (she/it) • • •@amberage As far as I can remember most silk fabrics are designed to be dry clean only, which means they can use dyes that would run or fade, or treatments and weaves that could shift, when washed with warm water. They're not going to be making neckties and bowties from silk that withstands washing because the expectation is already that you're going to dry clean them!
Silk meant for *some* washing, like merino and silk underwear, are presumably differently treated in the first place. Idk lol
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia @amber alex, mx
I love how sartor has tested their silks by washing a sample in water and they will tell you both the recommended treatment suggested by the producers and their own test results
sartorbohemia.com/article/14/h…
Sini Tuulia
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia @amber alex, mx afaik most producers just label their silk and wool as dry clean only because it's the easiest thing to do, people have gotten used to it, and then it's Not Their Problem anymore.
But historically both silk and wool were washed with water, even if just sporadically, and it's not necessarily harmful.
With readymade garments it's not that easy, but with fabric I think it's often worth trying to wash a sample of the fabric to see what happens, as that can give more opportunities for the future care of the garment.
(afaik silk and wool aren't going to shrink, so it's not critical that the washing is done before cutting (and making) the garment, but it can also be done on a leftover scrap: if it fails, then the garment will just have to be dry clean only)
(I work on wool that has been steamed, however, so maybe that's the step that takes care of any shrinking / size changes)
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia definitely, if you felt it will shrink (but it also changes texture and behavior and everything else)
I was thinking more “safe washing of wool” :) (cold water, wool-specific detergent, hand washing with care or the wool-specific washing machine program)
Sini Tuulia
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Lauma Pret ♡ ᪲᪲᪲
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •As a knitter and person of limited spoons (mental energy) I have done lot of dumb things with wool garments. Going from 30°C to 40°C once reduced my adult vest to a kid vest. Accidentally throwing merino shawl in cotton cycle instead of wool felted ir rather small... But in general I do find that washing my selfmade wool knits in correct settings with correctly functioning washing machine really improves my life.
Lauma Pret ♡ ᪲᪲᪲
in reply to Lauma Pret ♡ ᪲᪲᪲ • • •Also, where I live there is a certain kind of moths that can eat wool. They find clean wool less appealing than worn. That also motivates me to wash my favorite cardigans in spring.
Jón Fairbairn
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Still, it wasn't a terrible colour, so wore it for years, washing it every now and then until it fell apart.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia @Ailbhe FTR, I have a few silk camisoles that are nice to wear in winter but were my mother's (and no longer fit her), aren't exactly my size, have been around for a lot of time and, well, I don't really care if they get ruined, so I've been washing them in the regular cotton cycle at 30°C with all of the rest of the dark laundry including jeans and stuff, with probably alkaline detergent.
They are still perfectly fine :D
(that's a borderline criminal treatment and I would never do that to something *new* or that I care about :D )
Sibylle
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sibylle
in reply to Sibylle • • •you can literally boil wool. but the moment you add cold water, the fibers will contract at once. and you will never be able to relax them again. If you wash with an alcalic detergent you just made a piece of felt.
No temperature shocks. Keep it sour. If you do not have wool detergent, just use hair shampoo. It's the same material. Treat it gently when wet. No wringing, no kneading. Dry on a flat surface.
Silk is similar. It is a similar material.
Cavyherd
in reply to Sibylle • • •Heh. I remember the time I independently discovered this. Was washing a yarn pom pom (because I was enjoying the feel of the suds on my hands)—and then all of a sudden it wasn't a pom pom anymore. Just a fuzzy wad, like a nekkid tennis ball.... oops....
Sibylle
in reply to Cavyherd • • •Cavyherd
in reply to Sibylle • • •Years later, in a conversation with one of my fibre-arts friends. "Huh. So that's actually a thing! Who knew?" 😂
Cavyherd
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Cavyherd • • •There's much less of them and they cost more. Shops are often really bad at telling where the fabric was made and if it has any certifications: usually they just want you to buy the cheap shit at as big a markup as possible and never ask any questions!
But if you're getting a generic nice quilting cotton for 18€/m, the Öko-Tex one might be 20€/m, so not that much more. I've often picked a basic nice cotton by feel and sight and only then discovered it to be organic cotton, and only slightly more expensive. Certified linen is often *much* more expensive but so worth it!
Cavyherd
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Cavyherd • • •Cavyherd
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Where I live, we have one (1) not-niche fabric store, which is one of those crafty-quilty places. To have anything even remotely resembling the options I saw as a kid, you have to travel to the next Big City over, and even then I wouldn't bet on having anything like a reasonable selection.
I mostly don't sew anymore, so this is a class of issue I've mostly been able to ignore, but it's nice to know that online shopping is viable!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Cavyherd • • •Cavyherd
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Hah! "Reading fabrics from the photos" yar har.
Yeah, sounds like maybe a non-trivial amount of spin-up. Oh well. Unlikely to come up; I just unloaded a bunch of unused fabric on my local artsy-crafty coop charity.
Naomi P
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in reply to Naomi P • • •Now -> Her_Doing@sunny.garden
in reply to Naomi P • • •@gannet
That's my thought too! With flannel I might even wash it a couple of times first.'
I always buy mine extra large - and wash them carefully! - but I still have photos of one when new brushing the floor, and later only reaching mid-shin. 😳
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Now -> Her_Doing@sunny.garden • • •Washing it first really pays off.
DriftlessRoots
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to DriftlessRoots • • •@DriftlessRoots Some fabrics would definitely benefit from it! Anything more loosely woven will shrink more when washed. I tend to wash them alone with a short program, to get most of the manufacturing gunk out, and then put them in the wash with whatever else I'm laundering on the cotton program that day, to get the rest of it.
I am pleased that my random sewing thoughts and other people's knowledge has been helpful!