I have just read this sentence: "Usually I pick up Starbucks for my morning coffee because it's closer than my local coffee shop and I don't have to put on real clothes to drive through it..."
And I'm just. Staring into the distance in European. You DRIVE to get COFFEE before putting on your CLOTHES? You can't be bothered to put on clothes because you haven't had your morning coffee but you will DRIVE to a fully another location that isn't YOUR FUCKING HOUSE to get it??? You will operate. The machinery! On the roads, that you share with other people! To drive to a location?? When you could just make it at home??
I try not to judge but, dear reader, I am fucking judging 😶
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Harry W.
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •The view that driving a car is easier than getting dressed is... Concerning 😅
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Harry W. • • •Petrus Hilarius
in reply to Harry W. • • •COD
in reply to Petrus Hilarius • • •Petrus Hilarius
in reply to COD • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Petrus Hilarius • • •Yes, being able to pick up your medications if sick with minimal interaction with other customers or staff: Good. Dozens of people idling in their cars in a queue because they can't be bothered to park and go inside instead? Bad. Being absolutely unable to pick up your medications because the drive-through is the only option in your vicinity? Very very bad!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •And it was a comment on a post about Starbucks being terrible, their CEO being terrible, and them doing terrible union busting! And this... This is what someone chose to write as a JUSTIFICATION to get Starbucks even though they thought they probably shouldn't?
I am... Collapsing into a black hole. Just. Fuck.
ʙᴇɴ ᴄᴏᴛᴛᴇяɪʟʟ
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Starbucks new boss under fire for 1,000-mile commute
João da Silva & Charlotte Edwards (BBC News)Sini Tuulia
in reply to ʙᴇɴ ᴄᴏᴛᴛᴇяɪʟʟ • • •econads
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I think it's one of those "because I can" status symbol things
ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I have to assume it’s because by “coffee” they don’t mean drip or basic espresso drinks that you make at home, but one of Starbuck’s special “coffee”-adjacent drinks.
Home “brewing” has turned into this nasty environmental disaster that is Keurig cups. Barf.
Ailbhe
in reply to ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ailbhe • • •@Ailbhe @renwillis They *could* be composted or recycled, but are not, because it would be expensive and fiddly and require much more work, and there's much more precious and time sensitive things to compost and recycle. It's just a marketing gimmick.
And I'd prefer they'd make some kind of basic cup of coffee at home, with some sweetener and blanching if they so please... And then pick up the fancy thing on their way to wherever they're actually going, instead of driving back and forth while half awake!
Ailbhe
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ailbhe • • •I wouldn't be surprised if the pods made in the US had something different in them as well, the regulations are terrifyingly lax sometimes.
ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •cwicseolfor
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@Ailbhe @renwillis Pods in the US mostly are made with polystyrene (type 6) and thus not terribly widely accepted for recycling, if your area even has recycling collection. The majority of the country lacks municipal composting as well.
But hark! Greenwashing solutions are on the way as Keurig has developed a compostable cup as of ... 2024. So sustainability, very consideration, such wow.
The inventor of the K-cup is on record saying he regrets doing so.
mirabilos
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I did actually ask my city about where the sorted trash goes. Turns out we’re really good at paper, but some of the plastics has to go with the “rest” into the burner because it doesn’t burn well enough otherwise.
At least no landfill whenever possible. This creates local electricity and even heat for some households in quarters near them.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to mirabilos • • •Ah. 🙃
Ailbhe
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to mirabilos • •@mirabilos @Sini Tuulia @Ailbhe @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) IIRC I've read somewhere that even some people who were working on developing plastic recycling techniques claimed that burning it for energy was the best way to deal with it, because plastic just doesn't recycle as nicely as other materials like metal or glass.
Probably not always true, but I can see it being true in some cases. And much better than the plastic being sold to some third world country “for recycling“ and ending up in a dump there.
And anyway, even if it ends up being burned, it's my understanding that having the plastic already sorted is still better, as this way it can go directly in the furnace without some of the steps that are required for other wetter or less suitable materials.
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Sini Tuulia
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •I put everything clean and easily rinsed in the recycling, but if I had to spend 10 minutes washing a bit of packaging, I'll just bin it. 🤷♀️
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Ailbhe
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •piplup cloaca
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •chico
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Exactly.
"Recyclable" is not the same as "recycled". It's the last of the three Rs for a reason.
It's a future promise on sustainability that we can externalize somewhere else, for convenience.
Convenience is what makes people use drive-throughs.
@Ailbhe @renwillis
Sini Tuulia
in reply to chico • • •chico
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Absolutely. But it's a trap: small steps of convenience add up to complete nonsense.
After a certain point, people don't even see the contradiction.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to chico • • •I feel like that describes most of the current tech industry!
aerique
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •PhotoSniperFox
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •"And I'd prefer they'd make some kind of basic cup of coffee at home, with some sweetener and blanching if they so please... And then pick up the fancy thing on their way to wherever they're actually going, instead of driving back and forth while half awake!"
On behalf of all Americans, I thank you for your clear insight into American life, what "coffee" means in American culture, and what "driving before putting clothes on means."
I'll inform the several hundred million residents of this country that we must all conform to your preference.
PhotoSniperFox
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to PhotoSniperFox • • •@PhotoSniperFox I don't object to the attire, I object to operating a tonne of steel and vehicular manslaughter just to fetch something you can literally hold in one hand, presumably right after waking up. That you could make at home instead.
...Also, you do know that people in Europe also bathe, put on makeup, do their hair, and often wear yesterday's clothes? Right?
PhotoSniperFox
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •But clearly you, as a Finn, have the good judgement to judge people a continent away that you've never met and you object to the DRIVING CARS.
I'll relay your orders, your Royal Majesty.
Sheldon Chang 🇺🇸
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •anyone who finds making coffee a chore and wants to save time, just make cold brew! It was a revelation for me.
A cold brew pitcher costs less than $30US. Just dump in some coffee, pour water, and wait 12-24 hours. You have coffee for 1-4 days depending on how much coffee you want and cold brew tastes great!
@Ailbhe @renwillis
Dave Mc
in reply to ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) • • •Martijn Vos
in reply to Dave Mc • • •@Dave Mc @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) @Sini Tuulia
It's not just driving a few miles, it's also still getting coffee there, presumably in a disposable cup. I think anything at home is better, even if it's capsule.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Martijn Vos • • •@mcv @guigsy @renwillis (I'm tagging you in, @econads )
Coffee growing is also a very carbon heavy venture, you have to do all kinds of things to it and it travels a very long way unless you live right next to where it grows and gets processed...
If your options are to buy a bag of coffee grounds, never use it and then toss it, a pod is probably better. They also last a fairly long time when still sealed, the pods? I'd say just get instant coffee, you can get it in a variety of containers and it keeps shelf stable for a good long while, and there's only that one bit of packing.
But yeah, I assume if you only drink smaller quantities and spaced out, it's better to have that at home versus drive somewhere to get it every fucking day. 😶
ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@mcv @guigsy @econads Why did coffee get so complicated? A drip coffee maker is so fucking easy and yummy. An espresso maker uses even less disposable stuff.
Nothing wrong with a fancy coffee every now and then, but goodness. Scoop, drip, and sip go ahhhhhh! Yum!
Tech sees a very minor inconvenience, “fixes it” and makes an infinitely worse problem.
Dave Mc
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@mcv @renwillis @econads I go through a kg of beans in a couple of weeks... 😬 Better than pods though.
Buying local is important, but it's often over stated. Transit is normally only a small portion of the total carbon footprint of a product.
Here in the UK, we can buy locally grown strawberries. But they often have a higher carbon footprint than those from thousands of miles away, because to extend/protect the growing season, local grown often use heated greenhouses (polytunnels).
Martijn Vos
in reply to Dave Mc • • •@Dave Mc @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) @econads @Sini Tuulia
True, but that makes no difference for coffee at home vs Starbucks. There it really is the travel and packaging that makes the difference. And at home, you've got more control over where your coffee comes from.
Dave Mc
in reply to Martijn Vos • • •@mcv @renwillis @econads but choosing the closest country where they grow beans might not be the lowest footprint. Production methods normally have more effect than shipping.
I'd speculate that how green/dark the roast is probably has a higher energy impact than how far it travels across the ocean.
Or some countries might use far more water than others.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Dave Mc • • •Dave Mc
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Monsterklatsch
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Use a French press or no machine at all. For the taste of your coffee. And yes, for the environment., too.
Martijn Vos
in reply to Monsterklatsch • • •@Monsterklatsch @Dave Mc @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) @econads @Sini Tuulia
My wife has a coffee pot where you put ground coffee and water in, let it steep for a while, then push a plunger (or French press) down and pour. Same effect, but no grounds in your cup.
ink and yarn
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Can I sit with you in the judgey chairs? Because I am judging, too.
I don't have to put on real clothes to get my coffee either, because my coffee comes from my kitchen. I bought a nice coffeemaker with a timer function. I set up the coffee in the evening, when I'm awake and functional... and when I get up in the morning, there it is! freshly brewed coffee.
ajft
in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery I too can make coffee in the nude, however, i prefer to dress first lest I spill hot beverage upon parts of me not equipped to handle it
the implement of choice is one of Bialetti's finest, a birthday gift from an ex. sometime last century
flic.kr/p/2q7v2yv
But driving, merely to get coffee, inconceivable
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FlickrSini Tuulia
in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery That is the life. I've been thinking about getting a coffee maker with a timer, but wouldn't really have a place to put it, so I live with tolerable and exceptionally easy organic instant coffee. It's not the best taste, but it's alright. If I want to make actual coffee, there's always the French press, but it's annoying to clean so I usually don't...
Have you seen the ridiculous (in a good way) James Hoffman video about the bougie coffee maker marketed to do that exact same thing, but with a +200€ extra price tag for the bougieness? I love the video!
ink and yarn
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I haven't seen that video - it sounds amusing!
Before I had a real coffeepot and/or a need for more than one cup of coffee at a time, I used a re-usable steeping thingie. It takes up next to no space and makes perfect single cups (once you figure out exactly how much coffee to put in and how long to let it steep for your taste). Bonus: it also works for tea.
It is this thing - primulaproducts.com/products/c…
Coffee Brew Buddy, Portable Pour Over, Easy To Use - Primula
Primula ProductsSini Tuulia
in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery Ah yes, a fine small sieve. 😄 I feel like a lot of marketing budget has gone onto making this slightly more convenient and slightly better result product sell for a lot more than, you know. A small steel sieve that you buy once, and if you don't let it rust, lasts for some 30 years!
The video, though: youtube.com/watch?v=UALN1ZoN6b…
- YouTube
www.youtube.comink and yarn
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •But the steel one doesn't fold flat! and it is less fine than the mesh bag, so harder to wash. (And I bought it for less than $5, so... there's that, too.)
Hm, maybe I need a fancy bedside coffeemaker alarm clock! :)
cwicseolfor
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@emery (I usually don't talk *products*, mostly anti-consumption, but they can pry my aeropress from my cold dead fingers, because it's essentially a french press if it were ridiculously easy to clean. Takes 20 seconds: unscrew filter lid, rinse filter to reuse (optional, imo very recommended), depress plunger to pop grounds into compost, rinse plunger head, pull plunger from chamber, lay on drying rack. 3min from hot water to coffee & clean kitchen.
Brew is competition-grade.)
Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •PhDog 🇮🇪
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •When I say i wish I lived in a civilized country, I am in no way joking.
@sinituulia
JustAFrog
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Basically, I have everything at home for coffee, because I like coffee.
This isn't very onerous at all.
The idea of not having any of that and going to some shop for each individual cup of coffee is absurd to me.
Right there judging with you.
Onéira
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Onéira • • •Morgan Aldridge
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Gizmogoblin
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •fuzzyface
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Am I the only one that isn't at all surprised at this? And this is only because I've been out there. I've seen these people. I've even worked with some of them.
It is exactly for this reason that I work from home, do all of my shopping online and generally only leave the house to walk the dogs.
If I have to leave the house for any other reason, I firstly check to see if I'm going to meet generally like minded people. If not, I'm not going.
I am in my bubble and I'm not coming out.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to fuzzyface • • •@fuzzyface Well, I'm sure glad it's not a thing here. If a student is, let's say, too busy in the morning to properly have a nice cup of coffee or tea... They'll just drop by the school or university cafeteria or some automat in a hallway to get it when they're already there, and have done all the prerequisite steps. Pretty much any workplace in Finland will also have either vending machines or hot beverages available. Often they're also free.
I cannot fathom the idea of driving somewhere and then driving back home to finish getting ready, and only then (probably) drive where you actually need to be going. Absolutely unreasonable, that's so many more times the effort, not even counting the energy use in gas or electricity to move the car!
I like going outside, but it's simply so much effort compared to just staying in, too.
🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 • • •🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I live in a city that's pretty close to being a 15 minute city. People still drive cars. (Too much, for my tastes!) This is in a literal dictatorship and people haven't had their cars taken away from them.
It's so utterly frustrating to try to explain to the car crowd that 15 minute cities give *OPTIONS* that don't include cars, not effin' MANDATES.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to 🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦 • • •Martijn Vos
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@Sini Tuulia
I can only understand this for someone who actually lives in their car. Which is apparently increasingly common in the US.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Martijn Vos • • •@mcv Well, if they live in their car, they're technically home while they get it...
But more seriously, the whole housing and work situation in the US is absolutely horrible. If someone living in their car wants to get a nice treat to make life more bearable, they have carte blanche from me.
Estarriol, Cat owned Dragon
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Estarriol, Cat owned Dragon • • •Morgan Aldridge
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in reply to Morgan Aldridge • • •Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •refraction :verified_transgender:
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to refraction :verified_transgender: • • •I like making nice coffee myself, and a very specific dark roast and acidity. But I'll also just make instant coffee with a bunch of sugar if I can't be bothered to.
Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •refraction :verified_transgender:
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
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in reply to refraction :verified_transgender: • • •Michael ᚋᚔᚉᚆᚓᚐᚂ
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Michael ᚋᚔᚉᚆᚓᚐᚂ • • •Michael ᚋᚔᚉᚆᚓᚐᚂ
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •EVERYTHING about this is so wrong, let me count the ways:
• Operating a vehicle before being awake.
• Making a pointless journey when there is a climate crisis.
• Giving custom to a horrible multinational.
• Wasting so much time and money.
• Drinking horrible coffee.
On every level, it is YUCK.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Michael ᚋᚔᚉᚆᚓᚐᚂ • • •Marence
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Their coffee is AWFUL. It’s over-roasted to stay fresh longer, so no one actually drinks it as a coffee. It’s some kind of sweetened milky artificially flavored thing with whipped cream that they call frappachino or some such nonsense. It’s as close to real coffeehouse coffee as McDonald’s is to a steakhouse.
Iris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Fragarach
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •A friend has recently returned from visiting relatives in Canada. While there, they all got into the car for a trip to a reasonably local site of interest.
"Do you want a coffee?" he was asked, just before they set off. Strange, he thought, since they were about to leave, and declined.
Everyone else then got in with giant cups of coffee to put in the cup holders.
And he realised that he was staying with people who would only set off on a car trip when surrounded by containers of scalding hot liquid.
Funny old world.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Fragarach • • •Nice of them to make it at home, though.
mirabilos
in reply to Fragarach • • •but where do they go once the coffee ahem begins to work?
I try to stick to a place with a restroom for a while after having coffee…
Fragarach
in reply to mirabilos • • •I suppose it depends on the length of the journey, he says, being boring about it.
However, having visited Canada (okay, BC) myself, there are lots of woods and forests.
Perhaps, as well as the bears doing what they have to, Canadians pee in the woods?
For myself, I'll confess to occasionally having to stop at a pub and buy something, just to use the loo.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Fragarach • • •Elizabeth Moore
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Elizabeth Moore • • •Gareth
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •This is very common. What stood out was that the instigator chose Starbucks because they didn't need to get fully dressed for work before their coffee. These companies have spent (Starbucks, Dunkin', Tim Hortons) years changing the culture of their customers. It will take a lot to change it back
For the record I live in a city in NA and prepare my own Americano coffee using an espresso machine. Enjoy it, then get dressed in work clothes and walk 2 km to work.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Gareth • • •Adam Trickett :debian: :kde:
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •they just need a teasmaid, once common in the UK and some commonwealth countries. It wakes you up with a fresh pot of tea.
Has the advantage of being fully automatic and it's tea instead of undrinkable coffee!
Silliness aside, as a non coffee drinker I find the whole thing bizarre. My family that do drink coffee, wouldn't touch a Starbucks with a bargepole...
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Adam Trickett :debian: :kde: • •Adam Trickett :debian: :kde: reshared this.
Martijn Vos
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@Elena ``of Valhalla'' @Sini Tuulia @Adam Trickett :debian: :kde:
Why have I never heard of it? (Teasmade is the spelling I see online.) I've always thought about automating it. Why did they ever go out of fashion, instead of conquering the world?
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econads
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to econads • • •@econads Oh yeah, it's probably the worst thing for the planet I habitually consume. I try not to throw any away and to only have as much as I need, and always buy organic. But at least I'm not driving to get to a place to get coffee, driving back home, and then driving to another place after getting dressed - every single day, apparently.
Planet murder is bad but if possible only do one planet murder, not three hundred of them a year!
econads
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Muddy Matt
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •to be honest, my biggest problem is drive through coffee anyway. I mean... Why? In the UK at e.g. Solstice Park on A303, people line up their cars for drive through instead of parking and walking into the store.
I don't get it, where do you go after that to drink it? Surely not driving down the road at 70mph and trying to drink a scalding hot coffee at the same time!? But if you park up, why not just go into the store? Just seems massively lazy to me.
Marta 🌿🍃
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Marta 🌿🍃 • • •Marta 🌿🍃
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •The clothes part is likely people in pajamas as it's become very acceptable in rural and some suburban areas for people to be in sleep wear and do grocery shopping. Maybe some masc being topless but most businesses have the right to not serve customers that aren't attired in a way they see fit.
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Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈
in reply to Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈 • • •Trying to not doxx a friend in rural Missouri so no addresses shown
Now for the big one: car culture. Our car industry has lobbied to make any number of laws to make it harder to have pedestrian friendly towns. But additionally it has resulted in people living further apart in rural areas.
I've only lived in cities, so I've had access to walkability but had no idea how the city I grew up in was honestly the least walkable. The nearest stores were mechanics... for cars (continued)
Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈
in reply to Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈 • • •bestqualitycoffee.com/magazine…
This is more than a personal failing but a systemic stemming one from capitalism killing off local
Comparing Chain vs Independent Coffee Shops in the USA - Best Quality Coffee
Jacqueline Reily (Best Quality Coffee)Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈
in reply to Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈 • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈🧈 • • •Adriano
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •At some point, the obsession with coffee stops being funny and starts being something I look increasingly warily upon. What people got there starts to look like addiction.
If you "can't function in the morning without it" and "would risk other people's lives driving in pyjamas to get a cup of coffee", you have a problem.
Yes, I like coffee (but I break fast with mate, normally), but I can wake up, get dressed, and start my day without *craving* caffeine.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Adriano • • •@adriano I am dependent on caffeine most of the time because I am unmedicated for my ADHD! I assume a lot of the other people are just chronically sleep deprived and trying to run on fumes in the horror of society today, adding a wisp or two more of the fumes with coffee... I tend to have chronic insomnia, but now that I don't need to wake up at a set time, I *could* be functional without caffeine. I'd be more scattered, but I've done it before. When I had to wake up for school/work, I had to have immense amounts of tea or coffee to exist around people and needed it to focus.
Please fucking let people sleep, sleep deprivation is horrible for everybody and results in so many accidents, dips in health and mistakes and crabbiness in general!
Adriano
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Agreed, and I apologize for speaking without considering those situations.
Even then, you recognize (as you did in the OP) that there are ways to do this that don't involve risking people's lives by driving half-asleep.
Alex von Kitchen
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to Alex von Kitchen • • •ikanreed
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Sini Tuulia
in reply to ikanreed • • •BeeCycling
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Chu 朱
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Is this comment from the US or Alberta?
The two most likely places for this kind of thing
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Chu 朱 • • •Krazy Krêpe
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I've lived in California, and people there rarely put on real clothes for anything. (That's both a snobbish French person comment, and something I like immensely because in my early twenties not feeling judged for my clothes was very freeing.) And even here in France no café will mind that you're walking in in sweatpants, a lose jumper and flipflops.
(Deliberately not commenting on the myriad other ways this is wrong.)
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@cykonot Oh, I don't have issue with the clothing. I have issue with operating heavy machinery first thing in the morning to frequent a horrible multinational corporation that does everything it can to oppress its workforce and cut costs (except for the CEO flying private jets to commute, of course) - potentially putting everyone else on the road, the side walks and even the parking lot at risk, while also burning up the planet because it's a distance away...
When the other option would have been to literally make One Singular Beverage at home and get the nice one later. Absolutely no fucking contest, and I invite you to read any comment on a Youtube Shorts about Starbucks and its union busting to read the most appalling entitled car-brain horsehit of the same vein from several hundred people!
The car culture is sick and making people sick, and the percentage of deadly traffic collisions in the US is absolutely out of proportion to the rest of the world. Grace and understanding, yes. But looking askance at someone putting lives at risk and burning gas for COFFEE? Also yes.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •JoD
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I bought my nephew a French press and pour over because he kept talking about buying coffee everyday and when I asked if he at least brought his own mug he looked at the ground.
This was when I brought him locally grown coffee because I live… on a coffee farm.
Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Ailbhe • • •This old article reckoned that would be the norm by 2030. I dare say covid and ultra processed food worries has stalled that trend
Would you live in a house without a kitchen? You might have to
Arwa Mahdawi (The Guardian)Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •americans love them some cars and drive-thru everything...
i remember being in seattle in the 90s and seeing 3 drive-thru coffee places. i was really puzzled. i'm willing to get out of my car to get my coffee...
dallas TX "won" though. drive thru liquor stores and drive thru gun/ammo stores. yes. really. it's just nutso...
Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •i get it. EU is very civilized. local shops everywhere you can walk to, sit down, etc.
the US car and fast food culture has co-opted coffee.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Paul_IPv6 • • •cwicseolfor
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@paul_ipv6 There's this taste in America for simultaneous consumption of a half-dozen luxuries. You don't JUST drink a sweetened creamed coffee drink, you do it while livestreaming or texting or watching video on your phone in your air-conditioned front seat in an oversized, generally house-down-payment-priced vehicle.
Even if you WANT to opt out of this, it's an uphill, conscious effort to avoid (else, pay exorbitantly to live alongside those who got a taste for sanity abroad.)
lord pthenq1
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •You are too European. 😂😂
Of course! I woke up. I go to the gym in my Mustang. Do my exercises. I shower, and while I drive back, I grab a coffee at McDonald's or Starbucks.
Europe is not standard. Just European.
Rocketman
in reply to lord pthenq1 • • •@pthenq1 Coffee at McDonalds?
Now you have me looking up the English translation of “satisfaktionsfähig“
lord pthenq1
in reply to Rocketman • • •@slothrop
😂😂😂😂
I got attached to the Macdonald's coffee. It is not strong and it can be sipped as tea.
I think of Starbucks as a kind of liquid cake. It is good but sometimes it is too much.
Rocketman
in reply to lord pthenq1 • • •@pthenq1 Btw I’d be significantly more impressed if you went to the gym *on* rather than *in* your Mustang
And someone once told me that “Starbucks is coffee for people who don’t like coffee”, and they were right.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Rocketman • • •@slothrop @pthenq1 Honestly, even picking up the coffee on your way back from somewhere is worlds better than Starbucks person...
But yeah. Looking out to see a city centre just wreathed in trees, and seagulls drifting across fluffy white clouds and a clear blue sky with excellent air quality... Being European is pretty cool.
lord pthenq1
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@slothrop
I like California more. I am glad you are happy there, though.
kittyclimpo
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in reply to kittyclimpo • • •It truly boggles the mind.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia @kittyclimpo my “local” yarn shop is a 20 minutes drive (going through a few villages), because I don't have any proper yarn shop at a closer distance, but I do use quotes around the “local“ part and only go there once or twice a year.
(insert rant on people around here not knitting enough and not knitting the right things :D )
Anthony
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Starbucks’ new CEO faces backlash over 1,000-mile commute by private jet
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I must admit to usually going for my morning double espresso naked.
The machine is in my kitchen though...
Rocketman
in reply to AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈 • • •@AlisonW I share your amazement.
Our kitchen has rather too many windows for getting my coffee in the nude, but I certainly don’t do any more dressing up beyond the bare minimum required.
Also: talking? To a person? Before coffee? I think not.
Bard :rat_pan: :genderqueer_potion:
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •132 boosts in 6.5 hours, and 1,000 (I counted) screens of replies. Clearly an issue of transnational importance.
OK, +1 boost...
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •'this is the soft shelled hyoomun, a member of the hyoomun family. Because of its soft, pudgy body it has grown reliant on using wheeled outer shells to move it around. Because of its weak body, it has to move across these tracks, that eventually get covered in asphalt it excretes. It cannot even forage for food without its outer casing, and it will do everything, even mating, on its asphalt tracks!
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I live in a U.S. suburb, where people do this like it's a religion, and honestly, I judge to hell and back.
They could make it at home, better, much cheaper, and without pollution from either car fumes or disposable cups.
metasilk
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Why would you do that when you can just have Starbucks deliver? /s
I actually know people who do get Starbucks delivered in the morning ffs.
Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •@skinnylatte We now have locations of various chains (Starbucks, Chick-fil-A, McDonald's, probably more) which are *solely* drive-through. They do not have a customer entrance at all, only multiple drive-through lanes, and their few parking spaces are for employees and gig-economy delivery drivers. If you are brave enough to walk up to the building you might find a service window, or you may not.
Here's an example: 34.720347495919945, -86.5849308088013
Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •@Adrianna Tan @Sini Tuulia
If you're on foot or bike, can't you simply go inside and order there? The few Dutch drive throughs I've seen always have a regular restaurant. But I can imagine it's different in the US with their extreme car dependency.
James Britt
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Unknown parent • • •But you're obviously very upset, so I (not a native English speaker but academically fluent in it) wish you all the best, that you some day get to experience what it's like to be normal about cars, and maybe have a nap.
Trixter of the Moon Council
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in reply to Trixter of the Moon Council • • •@trixter A bit of hot milk and sugar shown the shadow of espresso a decade ago, perhaps? 😄
Though I have kind of gathered that a lot of people also get one to four amounts of espresso in whatever usually only takes one, so who knows.
Over here, even if you get coffee in a rush... You sit down to have it! Even if it's just for ten minutes, you pause everything else and drink it, and then go on with whatever you're doing. The only exception is probably working on the computer in an office, but every office will also have a break room, cafeteria or similar - and a lot of the time when you're *really* working on the computer, you're either mainlining black coffee or have some kind of bottled energy drink anyway. 😆
Sitting down to pause is probably better for humans in many ways.
Trixter of the Moon Council
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in reply to scott f • • •@scott I wonder if this *is* the reason why in some places a lot of infrastructure just can't cope with rain. Huge puddles that drivers can use to wash pedestrians? Little "cover" in a train platform that does not stop rain from reaching you? Unusable slippery sidewalks?
Maybe those who designed and planned these things always move inside cars...
Sini Tuulia
in reply to njsg • • •@njsg @scott *Desperately trying to contain neurodivergent special interests, slightly failing*
I mean, rainwater and drainage engineering is *super* complex and fascinating, but among many issues there now the weather is just broken, but also umbrellas used to be a thing you simply had, so it wasn't that strange to think everyone would have one... But that's just the awnings and eaves and such. There's also how you're supposed to re-level an asphalt road like every five years or so, but this isn't done because there's simply so much of it! And of course because it's non-porous, all of that washed off water needs to flow somewhere, and because everything eventually leaks, it ends up places it doesn't belong...
And yes, every time someone suggests making things nicer for pedestrians, someone asks "But what about the cars?" or remarks that nobody walks anyway!
Le Néandertal sous benzo
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in reply to Riton la Manivelle FAN ACCOUNT • • •Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Well, how else is she supposed to get to the Starbucks? Between her home and there, there is not even a safe connection a pedestrian could walk. (Not joking, American suburbs are weird.)
Also I now I am envisioning all these women with only a bedsheet draped across their body, driving their 2t SUV to the Starbucks for an espresso. 😅
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold • • •@rlcw Ah, but she (the username did not indicate gender, so who knows what the pronoun is) could have just... Made coffee at home. 😆
Yeah, the car centric environment of most of US is an absolute trash fire. And like a trash fire, also inconveniently fuming all over everyone else even a great distance away!
Somebody else was imagining a drive through line of unshaven and undressed men driving with their eyes closed the whole way! Perhaps what was missing from that vision was the two tonne SUVs!
ElIrregular
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •A totally revolutionary idea.
If you have time to drive to a coffee shop, you have time to make your coffee at home.
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in reply to Ray Jepson • • •@mister914 Ah, no. 😆 Funnily enough did just watch a video essay about airport fashion, and how it went from people being nicely dressed to such casual wear that you'll sometimes buy a 200 dollar hoodie so you can be comfortable but still flaunt your money and status...
Build back the rail network, destroy the airports is what my heart says, even though my brain knows it's not that easy.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@Ailbhe @WhippoorwillSong Like, in theory if the delivery person was also delivering 20 other things? This would be much better than twenty individual people all driving! I wish they'd get fairly paid for their work, too. Sometimes I've gotten food delivered as a treat and because I couldn't just make myself do it, and hella tip them every time.
I live in the city centre pretty much, so it's within cycling distance of any old place, so the deliveries get made on bikes or electric scooters, though!
Ailbhe
Unknown parent • • •@WhippoorwillSong once when I was having a bad day with small babies, a friend saw my (livejournal? Facebook?) post about it and appeared on my doorstep with a fresh takeaway coffee. I have OFTEN wished for delivery luxury coffee since then. It was amazing.
But I don't think ubereats would deliver from the local cooperative fair trade coffee shop she used.
Ailbhe
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Ian Langham
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I am ashamed of these idiots, but they are a small, overly vocal, part of this country. The rest of us are to busy trying to survive.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ian Langham • • •Anyway, I have multiple dear friends in the US, in similar situations to you, and I do genuinely feel bad for everyone *having* to live over there and not being able to enact change because systems are systems and capitalism is capitalism. But while systems and capitalism is hard to change, cultural shifts come from people, so maybe there's some hope!
Ian Langham
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I hope that's true. I wish that the healthcare system worked here as well as over there. I wouldn't be this busted. I rode my bike every day for ten years. I taught myself to work in porcelain, stoneware, oils, watercolor, acrylics, and pastels. I clocked 180 miles a week and now I can't even ride, but I can't get a single doctor to repair the damage because I am poor and I have the 'hurry up and die' insurance plan.
Sorry for the rant, it's been a rough morning
Blessings
🤘❤️🤘
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ian Langham • • •@Langhamian You have my sincere empathies. I'd be unable to walk and probably also be dead if I didn't have municipal universal healthcare, so it really really is a good thing to have. There's a lot I still can't do (including actual work for multiple reasons, lol) but at least I can spend some amount of time researching, making and enjoying things, which is worlds better than the alternative. 😅
I hope your day improves, best of luck with any endeavour or at the very least getting some rest! 💚
Ian Langham
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Unknown parent • • •@fifilamoura @kallemp Recycling industry *for plastics*, because quite a lot of other things do actually recycle quite well! We really don't need virgin wood for cellulose, energy pellets, cardboard, toilet paper, etc... And a lot of metals, especially rare earth, are much less energy, effort and pollution to reuse.
It's just that the plastic recycling is mostly a scam, and often because it's too expensive to be profitable.
But yes. We just need to use less plastic, period.
Fifi Lamoura
Unknown parent • • •@kallemp Yeah, we just need to get rid of most plastics. Reusing them doesn't get rid of the microplastics problem. The reality is that the recycling industry was always just an attempt to greenwash plastics by the petrochemical industry so we'd continue to buy and use plastics instead of finding better and more sustainable options.
@miah @zeborah @iju @sinituulia @Ailbhe @renwillis
Fifi Lamoura
Unknown parent • • •@miah I'm not chastising you, just pointing out that with plastic there's no really good way to dispose of most of it that doesn't create downstream harm. We simply need to be using far less plastic, which can be difficult to do and is pretty much always about making lifestyle changes. And, of course, our problems are systemic ultimately so there's only so much we can do individually.
That said, we can all make some lifestyle adjustments to consume and pollute less and there are lots of people trying to solve the excess packaging problem (mainly outside of the massive corporations, of course). Bar shampoos, for instance. Or laundry soap strips or concentrates instead of big plastic bottles. Making your own soda using a refillable machine instead of buying bottles.
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Miah Johnson
Unknown parent • • •Fifi Lamoura
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Unknown parent • • •@zeborah @iju @Ailbhe @renwillis I've been trying to cut my Soda habit, which will cut down on our plastic. But everything else in the kitchen its harder.. So many condiments and such are plastic. I try to buy glass or cardboard container things as much as possible because those items are much more recyclable than anything plastic.
All the large plastic bottles I usually end up using in the garden / garage for various things. I've cut up and reused so much plastic.
Juho Mäntysalo
Unknown parent • • •@miah @Ailbhe @renwillis
As hypothesis, pickup for recycling should be cheaper than pickup to landfill, as the company will sell the metals/paper/plastic/bio/whatever forward.
If the cost is the same or —godforbid— more, then they're lying somewhere and should be investigated.
So if you're interested, ask your mom the cost of pickup. It should answer some questions (and perhaps rise more).
Zeborah
in reply to Juho Mäntysalo • • •@iju If it's purely user-pays I'd expect the opposite: pretty sure I've read the only thing where recycling is *cheaper* than just mining/felling it from scratch is maybe aluminium.
For plastic, it's more expensive and the resulting plastic is lower quality so (apart from making some PR products) most plastic for "recycling" gets shipped to a third party who quietly dump it for you.
Anyway I still dutifully recycle but I try to reduce/reuse more too.
@miah @sinituulia @Ailbhe @renwillis
Fifi Lamoura
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Unknown parent • • •Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold
in reply to Miah Johnson • • •You don't have to use plastic of course, but just pointing out, that the effect is not as sustainable as people assume. Just reading "not the end of the world", which contains this helpful chart on the effect if lifestyle changes.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@renwillis @rlcw @kallemp It's pretty simple, to me: Do what you can. If you can't move, never drive, buy only renewable energy, lobby, correct misinformation, reduce or remove meat consumption (like my friend who's allergic to every legume and most raw vegetables, but tries to buy less carbon & methane heavy meat!), reduce, reuse, skip utterly frivolous trips... Just do whatever you can, when you can. If you can't, don't.
The people capable of lobbying and changing policy are already doing it (and need your support via votes and signatures), trends can be affected by consumer behaviour (We've already started seeing "green" as a good thing versus something only dirty weird hippies want!) and whatever little you can personally do? At the very least it will help you sleep at night and not feel that guilty when the subject comes up, best case scenario it also helps make a difference.
Every little bit helps, and despair and inaction makes the assholes win.
ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Rebecca Cotton-Weinhold • • •@rlcw @kallemp @miah @zeborah @iju @Ailbhe wasn’t sure if this was a satire reply? How is it remotely feasible for most people to do this? Do I just expect everyone to uproot their lives and move to walkable cities, somehow also afford EV cars and, what, solar panels for their apartments? 40% of americans are financially insecure and this shit ain’t cheap.
The real answer is aggressive regulation of the impactful polluters. Corps, orgs, govs, & the rich.
ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@rlcw @kallemp yep! 100%. Do what you can, try to inform yourself as best you can (though navigating misinformation is very challenging and getting worse). Fortunately, the EU is beginning to regulate green claims.
My day job is in sustainability for a large global company. It feels like moving mountains sometimes, but every inch has real global impact.
#1 with a bullet is holding corporations accountable and working toward forcing them to netzero through regulations.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) • • •@renwillis And there's both malicious misinformation purposefully spread, misinformation people have picked up unknowingly, and misinformation that used to be the scientific consensus but has been partially or completely disproven. There's also a lot of culture that simply needs to change, it's not even about anyone being misinformed, just what people are used to.
Thank you for doing something that has the potential to be very effective! Corporations won't stop until they're deeply incentivised to do so, and regulations and penalties are the only things they tend to care about beyond profit.
ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Kinetix
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I knew our culture was bad here, but it was a very creepy eye opener when I was cycling in a neighbourhood near my home early-ish on a Saturday morning. This neighbourhood has no services in it, everything is a drive away. It's so hilly it's also kind of unpleasant to walk very far.
As I was riding, garage doors were opening nearly in unison and piles of people where heading out in their SUV/pickups. As I was riding back a short while later, it seemed pretty clear that most of them were doing a "Timmie's run" (Tim Horton's coffee(ish) shop) rather than make their own coffee, as many were pulling back in to their driveways. There were so many it really sent a chill up my spine - as I say, I knew our culture was bad, but I had no idea this neighbourhood basically disappeared for a short bit on a weekend morning like this. Creepy as all hell.
These are people who chose to live at the top of a hill with no services around so they could have a nice big house and yard. And they can't be bothered making coffee.
Taxes just aren't set properly.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Kinetix • • •@kinetix Oh god, that's like a scene from some absurdist horror movie! I can imagine the terrible neon pastel colour grading and a hauntingly stretched out rendition of some vintage poppy song in the background. 🙃
Yeah. I might have further thoughts after I've had my morning coffee, but am currently in the state prior to it, and therefore barely capable of accomplishing such simple tasks as remembering what I was doing a minute ago.
Taxation and regulation, absolutely. Gosh, a long time ago they may have even put a tramway to reach the top of the hill.