I have just read this sentence: "Usually I pick up Starbucks for my morning coffee because it's closer than my local coffee shop and I don't have to put on real clothes to drive through it..."
And I'm just. Staring into the distance in European. You DRIVE to get COFFEE before putting on your CLOTHES? You can't be bothered to put on clothes because you haven't had your morning coffee but you will DRIVE to a fully another location that isn't YOUR FUCKING HOUSE to get it??? You will operate. The machinery! On the roads, that you share with other people! To drive to a location?? When you could just make it at home??
I try not to judge but, dear reader, I am fucking judging 😶
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •The view that driving a car is easier than getting dressed is... Concerning 😅
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in reply to Kurtis B. Krew • • •Yes, being able to pick up your medications if sick with minimal interaction with other customers or staff: Good. Dozens of people idling in their cars in a queue because they can't be bothered to park and go inside instead? Bad. Being absolutely unable to pick up your medications because the drive-through is the only option in your vicinity? Very very bad!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •And it was a comment on a post about Starbucks being terrible, their CEO being terrible, and them doing terrible union busting! And this... This is what someone chose to write as a JUSTIFICATION to get Starbucks even though they thought they probably shouldn't?
I am... Collapsing into a black hole. Just. Fuck.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I think it's one of those "because I can" status symbol things
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Can I sit with you in the judgey chairs? Because I am judging, too.
I don't have to put on real clothes to get my coffee either, because my coffee comes from my kitchen. I bought a nice coffeemaker with a timer function. I set up the coffee in the evening, when I'm awake and functional... and when I get up in the morning, there it is! freshly brewed coffee.
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in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery I too can make coffee in the nude, however, i prefer to dress first lest I spill hot beverage upon parts of me not equipped to handle it
the implement of choice is one of Bialetti's finest, a birthday gift from an ex. sometime last century
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But driving, merely to get coffee, inconceivable
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in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery That is the life. I've been thinking about getting a coffee maker with a timer, but wouldn't really have a place to put it, so I live with tolerable and exceptionally easy organic instant coffee. It's not the best taste, but it's alright. If I want to make actual coffee, there's always the French press, but it's annoying to clean so I usually don't...
Have you seen the ridiculous (in a good way) James Hoffman video about the bougie coffee maker marketed to do that exact same thing, but with a +200€ extra price tag for the bougieness? I love the video!
ink and yarn
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I haven't seen that video - it sounds amusing!
Before I had a real coffeepot and/or a need for more than one cup of coffee at a time, I used a re-usable steeping thingie. It takes up next to no space and makes perfect single cups (once you figure out exactly how much coffee to put in and how long to let it steep for your taste). Bonus: it also works for tea.
It is this thing - primulaproducts.com/products/c…
Coffee Brew Buddy, Portable Pour Over, Easy To Use - Primula
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in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery Ah yes, a fine small sieve. 😄 I feel like a lot of marketing budget has gone onto making this slightly more convenient and slightly better result product sell for a lot more than, you know. A small steel sieve that you buy once, and if you don't let it rust, lasts for some 30 years!
The video, though: youtube.com/watch?v=UALN1ZoN6b…
- YouTube
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •But the steel one doesn't fold flat! and it is less fine than the mesh bag, so harder to wash. (And I bought it for less than $5, so... there's that, too.)
Hm, maybe I need a fancy bedside coffeemaker alarm clock! :)
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in reply to ink and yarn • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia @ink and yarn @AllyPally I think they are quite rich in fats and acidic, and either thing may cause issues with the resulting compost
but they also accept them where I live, so I guess that there is a solution
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@valhalla Our recycling collection accepts glass, paper, and plastics; we don't do compost where I live.
(Which doesn't make it any less weird for someone to respond to a post from August of 2024 to tell me that I could be making coffee differently.)
Sini Tuulia
in reply to ink and yarn • • •@emery It's a very special genre of good-natured but unwelcome reply! "Here's how I, a person who knows nothing about you or your situation, think you could do this thing better, based on my experience in my own situation" 😆 Like, sure. Sure, maybe, but please don't, I don't want to get into a three paragraph explanation of how and why things are the way they are here where I'm sitting!
@valhalla
cwicseolfor (has moved!)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@emery (I usually don't talk *products*, mostly anti-consumption, but they can pry my aeropress from my cold dead fingers, because it's essentially a french press if it were ridiculously easy to clean. Takes 20 seconds: unscrew filter lid, rinse filter to reuse (optional, imo very recommended), depress plunger to pop grounds into compost, rinse plunger head, pull plunger from chamber, lay on drying rack. 3min from hot water to coffee & clean kitchen.
Brew is competition-grade.)
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •When I say i wish I lived in a civilized country, I am in no way joking.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Someone boosted this old Starbucks post that generally *checks notes* a lot of people agreed with and which angered like three people who got extremely defensive about it and made it my problem specifically.
And guess what, Starbucks is doing anti-union things again so I guess it's perennial! Fuck Starbucks, support unions, do not operate the machinery if you can't be bothered to dress up properly yet, coffee can be made at home!
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Jo - pièce de résistance
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I found a coffee I like and am happy I made the switch. I had never made coffee before. I always bought it. It took a minute to find a way to make it so I liked it, but I got there! I was motivated.
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in reply to Jo - pièce de résistance • • •@JoBlakely Finnish people consume ludicrous amounts of coffee per capita, might be most in Europe or something, and while having and serving coffee is the absolute most basic level of hospitality... There doesn't really exist the concept of a "coffee run" where you'd go somewhere to get it and come back. 😄 If you go for coffee, you're going into a cafe or cafeteria, to sit down and have it there!
If you're working you might go to the break room to get a cup and bring it back to your work station, but this is work obsessed or distressed student behaviour, not coffee drinking.
Gabriel N
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@JoBlakely it does make you question the coffee culture of the place.
If I’m going out for coffee, it will be to sit down with a proper porcelain cup, taking my time and enjoying it. I may be alone or with someone else, and it is special.
If I’m out and harried, but need a boost, I buy one of these cups from a machine. I don’t consider it “real coffee” and don’t expect anything from it.
Starbucks stopped serving good coffee a long time ago. It is closer to Dunkin’
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Gabriel N • • •@wtrmt @JoBlakely We do have coffee machines pretty much everywhere, and you can buy kiosk or convenience store coffee from pretty much anywhere... It'll be a tar-like substance being kept hot for hours on end next to the till, come in a paper cup and most likely be terrible, but won't cost a lot and it is what it is, a last resort if you're in a hurry, or something nice and hot when you're freezing into a block of ice on a bus stop.
But if there's a choice, you'll sit down in a nice cafe or outside the nice cafe.
Jo - pièce de résistance
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •In North America they don’t really promote a cafe culture, there aren’t many sidewalks you’d want to sit out in, nor do they make room for them.
Coffee was one of the few things I didn’t make at home & picked up on the way to work, so I could get a bit more sleep. I think a lot of people are similar.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Jo - pièce de résistance • • •@JoBlakely No table service here, either. 😄 Line up on the till, give them your order (or pour yourself from the carafes of coffee, hot water and tea they've already got there), wait a little bit and go sit down wherever you like for as long as you like. You'll get some evil eye if you sit longer than two hours, but that's fine if you don't feel like buying anything more. Same procedure in the most bougie of places with the finest speciality coffees and little decrepit roadside stops with one singular table and two rickety chairs and coffee probably older than the owner selling it.
I just have instant coffee if I'm too tired to have anything nicer, it takes multiple seconds to put into a mug, it cooling down is much more time than making it.
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in reply to Amethyst 🌸 • •@Amethyst 🌸 @Sini Tuulia usually the failure modes of the machines used to make coffee don't have dead people as a consequence
(it's not impossible, just harder than with a car)
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I always laugh to myself when I remember that Starbucks is barely hanging on over here (I think there's one location in Melbourne?) because we were so thoroughly spoiled by migrants from Italy, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, and a few other places, that they just could not get away with serving their terrible attempts at coffee. McDonald's coffee was still better. (Australia also had a significant hand in the whole McCafe thing apparently.)
On the other hand, for years I refuse to own any form of coffee maker, because the last time I did that I ended up with a 6 cup a day habit within a week, and then had to go cold turkey when it broke. (Had my GP very worried too, I almost got referred to a cardiologist.) And I am in the unlucky cohort that gets extremely nasty headaches from caffeine withdrawal. Having to actually go somewhere to get coffee meant I usually wouldn't, or would limit my time and spending to just one, so I couldn't develop that level of caffeine habit again. (Nowadays my stomach objects quite severely to coffee in all forms, so I don't have to do that any more.)
So I can understand someone trying to limit their caffeine intake making a conscious decision to not have any way to make coffee at home... but usually someone who's doing that will flat-out say 'I have a problem so I create barriers to obtaining coffee on purpose and that way my problem can't get any worse'.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •All the excuses I hear are annoying as all get out.
"Coffee isn't available at home" That is a choice!
"It's too difficult to make coffee"
It takes no effort to boil water, spoon coffee into a French Press, go brush one's teeth, pour coffee.
That takes a lot less effort than getting into a vehicle, driving bleary-eyed several miles down a road while negotiating traffic.
And can we talk aobout the emissions and energy wasted just to purchase a cup of coffee?
As far as I'm concerned anyone who does this has a inflated sense of entitlement, does not care the tiniest bit about the environment, and noting your mention of lack of street clothing, it is laziness.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •*poking the thread with a stick*
Come on, then. Reach two thousand boosts. A nice even number, I dare you
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Only because you asked.
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in reply to econads • • •Semitones
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Shout-out to all the students and other human beings who go through the whole day in flannel pajama pants. This is not Los Angeles. You do not need to look good to exist in public!
Also don't drive to starbucks lol.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Semitones • •@Semitones @Sini Tuulia OTOH, having night clothes, house day clothes and outdoor day clothes isn't just a matter of looking good, it's also good for the clothing (and the environment), because shorter uses with plenty of airing in between allows it to be washed less.
Nothing says that they can't be 3 different sets of flannel pajamas, as long as you can remember which one is which
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla @semitones I do indoor clothes and outdoor clothes because they're no longer indoor clothes after they've been outside and gotten Outside Particles on them... And since I'm indoors a lot more, I don't need to wash the outdoor clothes very much. 😄 But since I'm already putting on different clothes to leave the house, why not make them nice?
That said, absolutely no difference what you're wearing as long as you're not driving to Starbucks!
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Am I the only one that isn't at all surprised at this? And this is only because I've been out there. I've seen these people. I've even worked with some of them.
It is exactly for this reason that I work from home, do all of my shopping online and generally only leave the house to walk the dogs.
If I have to leave the house for any other reason, I firstly check to see if I'm going to meet generally like minded people. If not, I'm not going.
I am in my bubble and I'm not coming out.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to fuzzyface • • •@fuzzyface Well, I'm sure glad it's not a thing here. If a student is, let's say, too busy in the morning to properly have a nice cup of coffee or tea... They'll just drop by the school or university cafeteria or some automat in a hallway to get it when they're already there, and have done all the prerequisite steps. Pretty much any workplace in Finland will also have either vending machines or hot beverages available. Often they're also free.
I cannot fathom the idea of driving somewhere and then driving back home to finish getting ready, and only then (probably) drive where you actually need to be going. Absolutely unreasonable, that's so many more times the effort, not even counting the energy use in gas or electricity to move the car!
I like going outside, but it's simply so much effort compared to just staying in, too.
Martijn Vos
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@Sini Tuulia
I can only understand this for someone who actually lives in their car. Which is apparently increasingly common in the US.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Martijn Vos • • •@mcv Well, if they live in their car, they're technically home while they get it...
But more seriously, the whole housing and work situation in the US is absolutely horrible. If someone living in their car wants to get a nice treat to make life more bearable, they have carte blanche from me.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@Ailbhe @renwillis They *could* be composted or recycled, but are not, because it would be expensive and fiddly and require much more work, and there's much more precious and time sensitive things to compost and recycle. It's just a marketing gimmick.
And I'd prefer they'd make some kind of basic cup of coffee at home, with some sweetener and blanching if they so please... And then pick up the fancy thing on their way to wherever they're actually going, instead of driving back and forth while half awake!
Ailbhe
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in reply to refraction :verified_transgender: • • •I like making nice coffee myself, and a very specific dark roast and acidity. But I'll also just make instant coffee with a bunch of sugar if I can't be bothered to.
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in reply to Ailbhe • • •I wouldn't be surprised if the pods made in the US had something different in them as well, the regulations are terrifyingly lax sometimes.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •EVERYTHING about this is so wrong, let me count the ways:
• Operating a vehicle before being awake.
• Making a pointless journey when there is a climate crisis.
• Giving custom to a horrible multinational.
• Wasting so much time and money.
• Drinking horrible coffee.
On every level, it is YUCK.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Michael ᚋᚔᚉᚆᚓᚐᚂ • • •Marence
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Their coffee is AWFUL. It’s over-roasted to stay fresh longer, so no one actually drinks it as a coffee. It’s some kind of sweetened milky artificially flavored thing with whipped cream that they call frappachino or some such nonsense. It’s as close to real coffeehouse coffee as McDonald’s is to a steakhouse.
Iris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)
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Unknown parent • • •Nice of them to make it at home, though.
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Unknown parent • • •@mcv @guigsy @renwillis (I'm tagging you in, @econads )
Coffee growing is also a very carbon heavy venture, you have to do all kinds of things to it and it travels a very long way unless you live right next to where it grows and gets processed...
If your options are to buy a bag of coffee grounds, never use it and then toss it, a pod is probably better. They also last a fairly long time when still sealed, the pods? I'd say just get instant coffee, you can get it in a variety of containers and it keeps shelf stable for a good long while, and there's only that one bit of packing.
But yeah, I assume if you only drink smaller quantities and spaced out, it's better to have that at home versus drive somewhere to get it every fucking day. 😶
Martijn Vos
Unknown parent • • •@Dave Mc @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) @Sini Tuulia
It's not just driving a few miles, it's also still getting coffee there, presumably in a disposable cup. I think anything at home is better, even if it's capsule.
Dave Mc
Unknown parent • • •Gareth
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •This is very common. What stood out was that the instigator chose Starbucks because they didn't need to get fully dressed for work before their coffee. These companies have spent (Starbucks, Dunkin', Tim Hortons) years changing the culture of their customers. It will take a lot to change it back
For the record I live in a city in NA and prepare my own Americano coffee using an espresso machine. Enjoy it, then get dressed in work clothes and walk 2 km to work.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Gareth • • •Adam Trickett :debian: :kde:
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •they just need a teasmaid, once common in the UK and some commonwealth countries. It wakes you up with a fresh pot of tea.
Has the advantage of being fully automatic and it's tea instead of undrinkable coffee!
Silliness aside, as a non coffee drinker I find the whole thing bizarre. My family that do drink coffee, wouldn't touch a Starbucks with a bargepole...
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@Elena ``of Valhalla'' @Sini Tuulia @Adam Trickett :debian: :kde:
Why have I never heard of it? (Teasmade is the spelling I see online.) I've always thought about automating it. Why did they ever go out of fashion, instead of conquering the world?
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@mcv @renwillis @econads I go through a kg of beans in a couple of weeks... 😬 Better than pods though.
Buying local is important, but it's often over stated. Transit is normally only a small portion of the total carbon footprint of a product.
Here in the UK, we can buy locally grown strawberries. But they often have a higher carbon footprint than those from thousands of miles away, because to extend/protect the growing season, local grown often use heated greenhouses (polytunnels).
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Dave Mc
Unknown parent • • •@mcv @renwillis @econads but choosing the closest country where they grow beans might not be the lowest footprint. Production methods normally have more effect than shipping.
I'd speculate that how green/dark the roast is probably has a higher energy impact than how far it travels across the ocean.
Or some countries might use far more water than others.
Martijn Vos
in reply to Dave Mc • • •@Dave Mc @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) @econads @Sini Tuulia
True, but that makes no difference for coffee at home vs Starbucks. There it really is the travel and packaging that makes the difference. And at home, you've got more control over where your coffee comes from.
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in reply to econads • • •@econads Oh yeah, it's probably the worst thing for the planet I habitually consume. I try not to throw any away and to only have as much as I need, and always buy organic. But at least I'm not driving to get to a place to get coffee, driving back home, and then driving to another place after getting dressed - every single day, apparently.
Planet murder is bad but if possible only do one planet murder, not three hundred of them a year!
econads
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •to be honest, my biggest problem is drive through coffee anyway. I mean... Why? In the UK at e.g. Solstice Park on A303, people line up their cars for drive through instead of parking and walking into the store.
I don't get it, where do you go after that to drink it? Surely not driving down the road at 70mph and trying to drink a scalding hot coffee at the same time!? But if you park up, why not just go into the store? Just seems massively lazy to me.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Monsterklatsch
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Use a French press or no machine at all. For the taste of your coffee. And yes, for the environment., too.
Martijn Vos
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My wife has a coffee pot where you put ground coffee and water in, let it steep for a while, then push a plunger (or French press) down and pour. Same effect, but no grounds in your cup.
Ami Moregore🧈🧈🧈
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •The clothes part is likely people in pajamas as it's become very acceptable in rural and some suburban areas for people to be in sleep wear and do grocery shopping. Maybe some masc being topless but most businesses have the right to not serve customers that aren't attired in a way they see fit.
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Now for the big one: car culture. Our car industry has lobbied to make any number of laws to make it harder to have pedestrian friendly towns. But additionally it has resulted in people living further apart in rural areas.
I've only lived in cities, so I've had access to walkability but had no idea how the city I grew up in was honestly the least walkable. The nearest stores were mechanics... for cars (continued)
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This is more than a personal failing but a systemic stemming one from capitalism killing off local
Comparing Chain vs Independent Coffee Shops in the USA - Best Quality Coffee
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Unknown parent • • •@adriano I am dependent on caffeine most of the time because I am unmedicated for my ADHD! I assume a lot of the other people are just chronically sleep deprived and trying to run on fumes in the horror of society today, adding a wisp or two more of the fumes with coffee... I tend to have chronic insomnia, but now that I don't need to wake up at a set time, I *could* be functional without caffeine. I'd be more scattered, but I've done it before. When I had to wake up for school/work, I had to have immense amounts of tea or coffee to exist around people and needed it to focus.
Please fucking let people sleep, sleep deprivation is horrible for everybody and results in so many accidents, dips in health and mistakes and crabbiness in general!
Chu 朱
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Is this comment from the US or Alberta?
The two most likely places for this kind of thing
Sini Tuulia
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Unknown parent • • •@cykonot Oh, I don't have issue with the clothing. I have issue with operating heavy machinery first thing in the morning to frequent a horrible multinational corporation that does everything it can to oppress its workforce and cut costs (except for the CEO flying private jets to commute, of course) - potentially putting everyone else on the road, the side walks and even the parking lot at risk, while also burning up the planet because it's a distance away...
When the other option would have been to literally make One Singular Beverage at home and get the nice one later. Absolutely no fucking contest, and I invite you to read any comment on a Youtube Shorts about Starbucks and its union busting to read the most appalling entitled car-brain horsehit of the same vein from several hundred people!
The car culture is sick and making people sick, and the percentage of deadly traffic collisions in the US is absolutely out of proportion to the rest of the world. Grace and understanding, yes. But looking askance at someone putting lives at risk and burning gas for COFFEE? Also yes.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •You are too European. 😂😂
Of course! I woke up. I go to the gym in my Mustang. Do my exercises. I shower, and while I drive back, I grab a coffee at McDonald's or Starbucks.
Europe is not standard. Just European.

Rocketman
in reply to lord pthenq1 • • •@pthenq1 Coffee at McDonalds?
Now you have me looking up the English translation of “satisfaktionsfähig“
lord pthenq1
in reply to Rocketman • • •@slothrop
😂😂😂😂
I got attached to the Macdonald's coffee. It is not strong and it can be sipped as tea.
I think of Starbucks as a kind of liquid cake. It is good but sometimes it is too much.
Rocketman
in reply to lord pthenq1 • • •@pthenq1 Btw I’d be significantly more impressed if you went to the gym *on* rather than *in* your Mustang
And someone once told me that “Starbucks is coffee for people who don’t like coffee”, and they were right.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Rocketman • • •@slothrop @pthenq1 Honestly, even picking up the coffee on your way back from somewhere is worlds better than Starbucks person...
But yeah. Looking out to see a city centre just wreathed in trees, and seagulls drifting across fluffy white clouds and a clear blue sky with excellent air quality... Being European is pretty cool.
lord pthenq1
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@slothrop
I like California more. I am glad you are happy there, though.
kittyclimpo
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in reply to kittyclimpo • • •It truly boggles the mind.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Sini Tuulia • •@Sini Tuulia @kittyclimpo my “local” yarn shop is a 20 minutes drive (going through a few villages), because I don't have any proper yarn shop at a closer distance, but I do use quotes around the “local“ part and only go there once or twice a year.
(insert rant on people around here not knitting enough and not knitting the right things :D )
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Starbucks’ new CEO faces backlash over 1,000-mile commute by private jet
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Unknown parent • • •AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈♾️
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I must admit to usually going for my morning double espresso naked.
The machine is in my kitchen though...
Rocketman
in reply to AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈♾️ • • •@AlisonW I share your amazement.
Our kitchen has rather too many windows for getting my coffee in the nude, but I certainly don’t do any more dressing up beyond the bare minimum required.
Also: talking? To a person? Before coffee? I think not.
:neodog_santa: Bardoru Bardoru
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Unknown parent • • •I feel like that describes most of the current tech industry!
JoeP
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •132 boosts in 6.5 hours, and 1,000 (I counted) screens of replies. Clearly an issue of transnational importance.
OK, +1 boost...
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •'this is the soft shelled hyoomun, a member of the hyoomun family. Because of its soft, pudgy body it has grown reliant on using wheeled outer shells to move it around. Because of its weak body, it has to move across these tracks, that eventually get covered in asphalt it excretes. It cannot even forage for food without its outer casing, and it will do everything, even mating, on its asphalt tracks!
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I live in a U.S. suburb, where people do this like it's a religion, and honestly, I judge to hell and back.
They could make it at home, better, much cheaper, and without pollution from either car fumes or disposable cups.
metasilk
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •cwicseolfor (has moved!)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@Ailbhe @renwillis Pods in the US mostly are made with polystyrene (type 6) and thus not terribly widely accepted for recycling, if your area even has recycling collection. The majority of the country lacks municipal composting as well.
But hark! Greenwashing solutions are on the way as Keurig has developed a compostable cup as of ... 2024. So sustainability, very consideration, such wow.
The inventor of the K-cup is on record saying he regrets doing so.
Sylvie does books
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Zillion
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Why would you do that when you can just have Starbucks deliver? /s
I actually know people who do get Starbucks delivered in the morning ffs.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Zillion • • •🇺🇦PhotoSniperFox🇺🇦
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •"And I'd prefer they'd make some kind of basic cup of coffee at home, with some sweetener and blanching if they so please... And then pick up the fancy thing on their way to wherever they're actually going, instead of driving back and forth while half awake!"
On behalf of all Americans, I thank you for your clear insight into American life, what "coffee" means in American culture, and what "driving before putting clothes on means."
I'll inform the several hundred million residents of this country that we must all conform to your preference.
🇺🇦PhotoSniperFox🇺🇦
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in reply to Adrianna Tan • • •@skinnylatte We now have locations of various chains (Starbucks, Chick-fil-A, McDonald's, probably more) which are *solely* drive-through. They do not have a customer entrance at all, only multiple drive-through lanes, and their few parking spaces are for employees and gig-economy delivery drivers. If you are brave enough to walk up to the building you might find a service window, or you may not.
Here's an example: 34.720347495919945, -86.5849308088013
Sini Tuulia
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If you're on foot or bike, can't you simply go inside and order there? The few Dutch drive throughs I've seen always have a regular restaurant. But I can imagine it's different in the US with their extreme car dependency.
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •anyone who finds making coffee a chore and wants to save time, just make cold brew! It was a revelation for me.
A cold brew pitcher costs less than $30US. Just dump in some coffee, pour water, and wait 12-24 hours. You have coffee for 1-4 days depending on how much coffee you want and cold brew tastes great!
@Ailbhe @renwillis
cwicseolfor (has moved!)
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@paul_ipv6 There's this taste in America for simultaneous consumption of a half-dozen luxuries. You don't JUST drink a sweetened creamed coffee drink, you do it while livestreaming or texting or watching video on your phone in your air-conditioned front seat in an oversized, generally house-down-payment-priced vehicle.
Even if you WANT to opt out of this, it's an uphill, conscious effort to avoid (else, pay exorbitantly to live alongside those who got a taste for sanity abroad.)
Sini Tuulia
in reply to 🇺🇦PhotoSniperFox🇺🇦 • • •@PhotoSniperFox I don't object to the attire, I object to operating a tonne of steel and vehicular manslaughter just to fetch something you can literally hold in one hand, presumably right after waking up. That you could make at home instead.
...Also, you do know that people in Europe also bathe, put on makeup, do their hair, and often wear yesterday's clothes? Right?
climate voter/radical oldie
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •But clearly you, as a Finn, have the good judgement to judge people a continent away that you've never met and you object to the DRIVING CARS.
I'll relay your orders, your Royal Majesty.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •But you're obviously very upset, so I (not a native English speaker but academically fluent in it) wish you all the best, that you some day get to experience what it's like to be normal about cars, and maybe have a nap.
Trixter of the Moon Council
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in reply to Trixter of the Moon Council • • •@trixter A bit of hot milk and sugar shown the shadow of espresso a decade ago, perhaps? 😄
Though I have kind of gathered that a lot of people also get one to four amounts of espresso in whatever usually only takes one, so who knows.
Over here, even if you get coffee in a rush... You sit down to have it! Even if it's just for ten minutes, you pause everything else and drink it, and then go on with whatever you're doing. The only exception is probably working on the computer in an office, but every office will also have a break room, cafeteria or similar - and a lot of the time when you're *really* working on the computer, you're either mainlining black coffee or have some kind of bottled energy drink anyway. 😆
Sitting down to pause is probably better for humans in many ways.
Trixter of the Moon Council
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in reply to scott f • • •@scott I wonder if this *is* the reason why in some places a lot of infrastructure just can't cope with rain. Huge puddles that drivers can use to wash pedestrians? Little "cover" in a train platform that does not stop rain from reaching you? Unusable slippery sidewalks?
Maybe those who designed and planned these things always move inside cars...
Sini Tuulia
in reply to njsg • • •@njsg @scott *Desperately trying to contain neurodivergent special interests, slightly failing*
I mean, rainwater and drainage engineering is *super* complex and fascinating, but among many issues there now the weather is just broken, but also umbrellas used to be a thing you simply had, so it wasn't that strange to think everyone would have one... But that's just the awnings and eaves and such. There's also how you're supposed to re-level an asphalt road like every five years or so, but this isn't done because there's simply so much of it! And of course because it's non-porous, all of that washed off water needs to flow somewhere, and because everything eventually leaks, it ends up places it doesn't belong...
And yes, every time someone suggests making things nicer for pedestrians, someone asks "But what about the cars?" or remarks that nobody walks anyway!
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •The cleaning part stopped me using a French press. The pour over melita filter cone on top of my mug makes cleanup effortless.
ElIrregular
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •A totally revolutionary idea.
If you have time to drive to a coffee shop, you have time to make your coffee at home.
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in reply to Ray Jepson • • •@mister914 Ah, no. 😆 Funnily enough did just watch a video essay about airport fashion, and how it went from people being nicely dressed to such casual wear that you'll sometimes buy a 200 dollar hoodie so you can be comfortable but still flaunt your money and status...
Build back the rail network, destroy the airports is what my heart says, even though my brain knows it's not that easy.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Ah. 🙃
mirabilos
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I did actually ask my city about where the sorted trash goes. Turns out we’re really good at paper, but some of the plastics has to go with the “rest” into the burner because it doesn’t burn well enough otherwise.
At least no landfill whenever possible. This creates local electricity and even heat for some households in quarters near them.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Fragarach
Unknown parent • • •I suppose it depends on the length of the journey, he says, being boring about it.
However, having visited Canada (okay, BC) myself, there are lots of woods and forests.
Perhaps, as well as the bears doing what they have to, Canadians pee in the woods?
For myself, I'll confess to occasionally having to stop at a pub and buy something, just to use the loo.
mirabilos
Unknown parent • • •but where do they go once the coffee ahem begins to work?
I try to stick to a place with a restroom for a while after having coffee…
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@Ailbhe @WhippoorwillSong Like, in theory if the delivery person was also delivering 20 other things? This would be much better than twenty individual people all driving! I wish they'd get fairly paid for their work, too. Sometimes I've gotten food delivered as a treat and because I couldn't just make myself do it, and hella tip them every time.
I live in the city centre pretty much, so it's within cycling distance of any old place, so the deliveries get made on bikes or electric scooters, though!
Ailbhe
Unknown parent • • •@WhippoorwillSong once when I was having a bad day with small babies, a friend saw my (livejournal? Facebook?) post about it and appeared on my doorstep with a fresh takeaway coffee. I have OFTEN wished for delivery luxury coffee since then. It was amazing.
But I don't think ubereats would deliver from the local cooperative fair trade coffee shop she used.
Ailbhe
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in reply to mirabilos • •@mirabilos @Sini Tuulia @Ailbhe @ren 🏳️🌈 (a they/them) IIRC I've read somewhere that even some people who were working on developing plastic recycling techniques claimed that burning it for energy was the best way to deal with it, because plastic just doesn't recycle as nicely as other materials like metal or glass.
Probably not always true, but I can see it being true in some cases. And much better than the plastic being sold to some third world country “for recycling“ and ending up in a dump there.
And anyway, even if it ends up being burned, it's my understanding that having the plastic already sorted is still better, as this way it can go directly in the furnace without some of the steps that are required for other wetter or less suitable materials.
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Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@rlcw Ah, but she (the username did not indicate gender, so who knows what the pronoun is) could have just... Made coffee at home. 😆
Yeah, the car centric environment of most of US is an absolute trash fire. And like a trash fire, also inconveniently fuming all over everyone else even a great distance away!
Somebody else was imagining a drive through line of unshaven and undressed men driving with their eyes closed the whole way! Perhaps what was missing from that vision was the two tonne SUVs!
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •I put everything clean and easily rinsed in the recycling, but if I had to spend 10 minutes washing a bit of packaging, I'll just bin it. 🤷♀️
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Ian Langham
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I am ashamed of these idiots, but they are a small, overly vocal, part of this country. The rest of us are to busy trying to survive.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ian Langham • • •Anyway, I have multiple dear friends in the US, in similar situations to you, and I do genuinely feel bad for everyone *having* to live over there and not being able to enact change because systems are systems and capitalism is capitalism. But while systems and capitalism is hard to change, cultural shifts come from people, so maybe there's some hope!
Ian Langham
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I hope that's true. I wish that the healthcare system worked here as well as over there. I wouldn't be this busted. I rode my bike every day for ten years. I taught myself to work in porcelain, stoneware, oils, watercolor, acrylics, and pastels. I clocked 180 miles a week and now I can't even ride, but I can't get a single doctor to repair the damage because I am poor and I have the 'hurry up and die' insurance plan.
Sorry for the rant, it's been a rough morning
Blessings
🤘❤️🤘
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Ian Langham • • •@Langhamian You have my sincere empathies. I'd be unable to walk and probably also be dead if I didn't have municipal universal healthcare, so it really really is a good thing to have. There's a lot I still can't do (including actual work for multiple reasons, lol) but at least I can spend some amount of time researching, making and enjoying things, which is worlds better than the alternative. 😅
I hope your day improves, best of luck with any endeavour or at the very least getting some rest! 💚
Ian Langham
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Unknown parent • • •@fifilamoura @kallemp Recycling industry *for plastics*, because quite a lot of other things do actually recycle quite well! We really don't need virgin wood for cellulose, energy pellets, cardboard, toilet paper, etc... And a lot of metals, especially rare earth, are much less energy, effort and pollution to reuse.
It's just that the plastic recycling is mostly a scam, and often because it's too expensive to be profitable.
But yes. We just need to use less plastic, period.
Fifi Lamoura
Unknown parent • • •@kallemp Yeah, we just need to get rid of most plastics. Reusing them doesn't get rid of the microplastics problem. The reality is that the recycling industry was always just an attempt to greenwash plastics by the petrochemical industry so we'd continue to buy and use plastics instead of finding better and more sustainable options.
@miah @zeborah @iju @sinituulia @Ailbhe @renwillis
Fifi Lamoura
Unknown parent • • •@miah I'm not chastising you, just pointing out that with plastic there's no really good way to dispose of most of it that doesn't create downstream harm. We simply need to be using far less plastic, which can be difficult to do and is pretty much always about making lifestyle changes. And, of course, our problems are systemic ultimately so there's only so much we can do individually.
That said, we can all make some lifestyle adjustments to consume and pollute less and there are lots of people trying to solve the excess packaging problem (mainly outside of the massive corporations, of course). Bar shampoos, for instance. Or laundry soap strips or concentrates instead of big plastic bottles. Making your own soda using a refillable machine instead of buying bottles.
@zeborah @iju @sinituulia @Ailbhe @renwillis
Miah Johnson
Unknown parent • • •Fifi Lamoura
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Unknown parent • • •@zeborah @iju @Ailbhe @renwillis I've been trying to cut my Soda habit, which will cut down on our plastic. But everything else in the kitchen its harder.. So many condiments and such are plastic. I try to buy glass or cardboard container things as much as possible because those items are much more recyclable than anything plastic.
All the large plastic bottles I usually end up using in the garden / garage for various things. I've cut up and reused so much plastic.
Zeborah
Unknown parent • • •@iju If it's purely user-pays I'd expect the opposite: pretty sure I've read the only thing where recycling is *cheaper* than just mining/felling it from scratch is maybe aluminium.
For plastic, it's more expensive and the resulting plastic is lower quality so (apart from making some PR products) most plastic for "recycling" gets shipped to a third party who quietly dump it for you.
Anyway I still dutifully recycle but I try to reduce/reuse more too.
@miah @sinituulia @Ailbhe @renwillis
Juho Mäntysalo
Unknown parent • • •@miah @Ailbhe @renwillis
As hypothesis, pickup for recycling should be cheaper than pickup to landfill, as the company will sell the metals/paper/plastic/bio/whatever forward.
If the cost is the same or —godforbid— more, then they're lying somewhere and should be investigated.
So if you're interested, ask your mom the cost of pickup. It should answer some questions (and perhaps rise more).
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Becca 🌳🚀🛀
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in reply to Miah Johnson • • •You don't have to use plastic of course, but just pointing out, that the effect is not as sustainable as people assume. Just reading "not the end of the world", which contains this helpful chart on the effect if lifestyle changes.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@renwillis @rlcw @kallemp It's pretty simple, to me: Do what you can. If you can't move, never drive, buy only renewable energy, lobby, correct misinformation, reduce or remove meat consumption (like my friend who's allergic to every legume and most raw vegetables, but tries to buy less carbon & methane heavy meat!), reduce, reuse, skip utterly frivolous trips... Just do whatever you can, when you can. If you can't, don't.
The people capable of lobbying and changing policy are already doing it (and need your support via votes and signatures), trends can be affected by consumer behaviour (We've already started seeing "green" as a good thing versus something only dirty weird hippies want!) and whatever little you can personally do? At the very least it will help you sleep at night and not feel that guilty when the subject comes up, best case scenario it also helps make a difference.
Every little bit helps, and despair and inaction makes the assholes win.
ren (a they/them) 🌈:verified:
in reply to Becca 🌳🚀🛀 • • •@rlcw @kallemp @miah @zeborah @iju @Ailbhe wasn’t sure if this was a satire reply? How is it remotely feasible for most people to do this? Do I just expect everyone to uproot their lives and move to walkable cities, somehow also afford EV cars and, what, solar panels for their apartments? 40% of americans are financially insecure and this shit ain’t cheap.
The real answer is aggressive regulation of the impactful polluters. Corps, orgs, govs, & the rich.
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •@renwillis And there's both malicious misinformation purposefully spread, misinformation people have picked up unknowingly, and misinformation that used to be the scientific consensus but has been partially or completely disproven. There's also a lot of culture that simply needs to change, it's not even about anyone being misinformed, just what people are used to.
Thank you for doing something that has the potential to be very effective! Corporations won't stop until they're deeply incentivised to do so, and regulations and penalties are the only things they tend to care about beyond profit.
Kinetix
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I knew our culture was bad here, but it was a very creepy eye opener when I was cycling in a neighbourhood near my home early-ish on a Saturday morning. This neighbourhood has no services in it, everything is a drive away. It's so hilly it's also kind of unpleasant to walk very far.
As I was riding, garage doors were opening nearly in unison and piles of people where heading out in their SUV/pickups. As I was riding back a short while later, it seemed pretty clear that most of them were doing a "Timmie's run" (Tim Horton's coffee(ish) shop) rather than make their own coffee, as many were pulling back in to their driveways. There were so many it really sent a chill up my spine - as I say, I knew our culture was bad, but I had no idea this neighbourhood basically disappeared for a short bit on a weekend morning like this. Creepy as all hell.
These are people who chose to live at the top of a hill with no services around so they could have a nice big house and yard. And they can't be bothered making coffee.
Taxes just aren't set properly.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Kinetix • • •@kinetix Oh god, that's like a scene from some absurdist horror movie! I can imagine the terrible neon pastel colour grading and a hauntingly stretched out rendition of some vintage poppy song in the background. 🙃
Yeah. I might have further thoughts after I've had my morning coffee, but am currently in the state prior to it, and therefore barely capable of accomplishing such simple tasks as remembering what I was doing a minute ago.
Taxation and regulation, absolutely. Gosh, a long time ago they may have even put a tramway to reach the top of the hill.
Luke
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I feel like I'd need coffee to get into a car and drive to a Starbucks, making the journey unnecessary.
Therefore, I never have to worry about the pants.
Sini Tuulia
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Thanks for starting an enjoyable thread.
I am staring with you in the distance.
@sinituulia
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in reply to The Casual Critic • • •Thanasis Kinias
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •yeah, I will never understand people who *drive* to get their morning coffee
(to be fair, I also don’t understand people going out for their morning coffee at all—even in a city where you can walk to it)
Alda Vigdís
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Literally the most inconvenient way for me to get coffee was that one time I tried the drive-through at Starbucks when travelling for work.
And I used to have a moka pot, so I know what inconvenient means.
DarkAthena 🐝
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •AmazingMeagen
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I'm one of those former drivers in the US, albeit 30 years ago and long before Starbucks. Now a European.
The driving culture is all pervasive and I now cringe while remembering journeys made by car rather than walking.
This isn't an excuse, just a reflection.
And I hard agree, think about making the coffee at home.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to AmazingMeagen • • •Tom Bortels
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Car culture. Context may help.
I live in Southern California. The nearest coffee shop is a couple miles away. It's a Starbucks - but pretend it's not for a moment. Assume for a moment making coffee at home, which is the right solution, is out of play.
You wake up. Which is easier;
1) jump in the car in your pajamas, drive 5 minutes and someone hands you coffee in the drive thru, drive home and drink it in bed
2) get up, get dressed with pants and shoes and so on, walk 45 minutes, get coffee, and either drink it among strangers or let it get cold walking home?
We don't live in walkable cities for the most part - driving is the default context.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Tom Bortels • • •@tbortels Oh, I know. It's a horrible self-perpetuating shit-show. But you're forgetting about option 3, which seems anathema to American culture at large: SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE THING. You don't need to have all the things, having the thing isn't required for life if you can survive without the thing, you just want the thing and are used to always having the thing if you want it and everything around you telling you just wanting the thing is enough reason to have it.
You don't always get to have the thing if it's a net negative for everyone but you and that's fine! No coffee making at home? No coffee.
If you're going to work or school anyway, drop by some place to get it then if you still want it, you're already up and around.
Same with flying: "Oh I can't drive to the city I want to go and there's no trains..."
No. Simply do not go, you can go somewhere else closer by instead of burning the planet down and lining the pockets of world-burners. You going to a city you want to visit just because is not something you NEED, it's just something you want, and because you want it you'll twist yourself to a pretzel to justify it. Absolutely bonkers. 😆
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in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Tom Bortels
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Addictions are a strong driver. And caffeine counts.
I don't drink coffee. The wife does. She doesn't operate well in polite society before coffee, and while she does have a coffee maker - sometimes you want something more.
But coffee is a red herring. *nothing is walkable here*. Especially in your late 50's. And things like groceries or the pharmacy or a doctor's visit are very non-negotiable.
Lojie
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I agree with you.
The word that comes to mind is "Greed". i.e. having to have something, unreflectively giving in to "craving".
If one would reflect on it, one might just say "oh, i'll pass this once".
But in a world that is dominated by (unreflected) consumerism? ... sigh
Clockwork ☃️✒️
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Unknown parent • • •@bryan I have not and probably never will, it's a horrible company run by even more horrible people, exploiting an already strained service industry workforce just trying to survive, and doing its very best to be the last chain standing so it's also the only place to work... That's not even touching on the real estate shenanigans, tax evasion, CEO private jets or impact of single use packaging on the whole global trash and oil dependency situation.
We do also have more local chains here, and since they operate and are somewhat owned here, they actually have to follow workers' rights laws and pay tax, which is nice if I want to pay a lot more for a beverage when I'm out and about and can't make it at home. Or buy from the grocery store, if I really wanted to, there's a pretty big selection of coffee drinks there.
If you were making some kind of joke I didn't get, sorry, but that's an absolute nope from me, I don't care what it tastes like
Sini Tuulia
Unknown parent • • •Paul_IPv6
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •The Tattooed Nonna 👑
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •@catsalad I visited a friend in California and she invited me to her house for coffee, when we got there she immediately got us all in her car to drive to Starbucks to buy coffee then take it back to her house. It was weird.
And an American friend that visited England was annoyed there wasn't a local Starbucks open at 6am for her to get coffee.
Conclusion: Americans can't make coffee
The Drop Bear 2.0
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Unknown parent • • •Isaac Freeman
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •I recall a long thread on Usenet in nineties which started with an American asking if New Zealand had drive-through banking. This was a very confusing question for New Zealanders, because how often do you even need to visit a bank?
There was a great deal of mutual incomprehension as the New Zealanders explained what it was like to have pervasive EFT-POS and direct bank transfers, and the American explained how often they had to handle coins and paper cheques for everyday transactions.
Sini Tuulia
in reply to Isaac Freeman • • •@isaacfreeman The whole concept of cheques was mind boggling to me even as a child in the nineties.
And the drive-through phenomenon in general, how hard is it to park in the multiple mandated city-eating infinite parking lots, that make up more of American cities than the actual city, for a little bit and walk in? Incomprehensible.
(((Ttown)))🌐✌
in reply to Sini Tuulia • • •Written by an American, I'm sure.
When I sit on my porch early in the morning here in America, I hear cars on the turnpike. When I opened our hotel window in Oviedo, Spain, I heard people.
(((Ttown)))🌐✌
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