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@devrtz :debian: ,
btw, I think I need a t-shirt with these words. or a patch on my backpack. Yeah, I think a patch for my backpack will happen in the near future. And if anybody wants to print stickers or anything else, I will submit this to the usual places :D

(And until I've submitted it to the right places, the source can be found on https://eoval.org/YFf9WaTC#debian_phone-source.svg , under the same license as the debian logo)

@Fabio , @Diego Roversi and the other locals: if you also want something with these words, we can talk about it :)

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

@Fabio @Diego Roversi

(assuming that the photosensitive thing for screen printing is still working, otherwise it will happen in the somewhat less near future when I buy a new bottle)

in reply to fnord99

@fnord99 mine can't, and I wouldn't want to do that anyway.

Now, I wouldn't mind using a few apps that are in f-droid, but not strongly enough that I have ever bothered looking into how to do it.

Anyway, I posted on my linux mobile experience some months ago, and it's still pretty accurate (but note that some of the big problems are hardware-related and apparently are not a problem with a more expensive phone) https://blog.trueelena.org/blog/2023/02/15-my-experience-with-a-pinephone/index.html

in reply to fnord99

@fnord99
To be brutally honest:
Don't know, don't care.

I avoid that shit for a reason.
And I have always had enough willpower to resist that shit.

If you must, feel free to feel offended 🦄

in reply to devrtz :debian:

@devrtz :debian: @fnord99 @Fabio @Diego Roversi the biggest temptation for me would be StreetComplete (from f-droid, not from the playstore), but then I have a pinephone, so the GPS is, well, not great, and I'm not sure it would work anyway.

For everything else I'd need I can think of an alternative that is native to linux and packaged in debian.

(a Librem 5 may solve that problem, but that's quite out of my budget)

in reply to devrtz :debian:

on a very practical level: apps for buying tickets for public transport in your city; for cashless payments; for navigation with live information on traffic; for online banking; for charging an EV etc. - they range from "convenient" to "life-saving" **literally**. Is all of that available under Debian for mobile?
in reply to fnord99

@fnord99 @Fabio @Diego Roversi @devrtz :debian:

for tickets for public transport I go to a kiosk (or sometimes an actual ticket window with an actual person, because the kiosk is half-broken). If I was using it more often I would probably buy a monthly pass online from the website.

For cashless payments I use the payment card from my bank.

I've had pretty bad experiences with navigation with live traffic information when traveling with friends (being sent on unreasonable detours that probably *increased* travel time), so, meh, that's not really something I feel the need for.

For online banking I use the website, usually from my pc; there is some 2FA happening with a phone call (with a machine, not a person)

I haven't tried those websites from a mobile browser, they may or may not work (I'm sure that the train website is horrible, but that's also true on the pc version, the only way to navigate it is by blocking 3/4 of the javascript, which firefox on the pinephone could do.)

AFAIK some EV charging places in EU have a card that you can use if you don't want to install an app. I really hope that as EVs get more common they will start accepting cash or cards like every other place where you have to buy things, however. (I also don't travel enough to be in the market for an EV, or any kind of new car, at the moment)

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

we are probably living in very different places. I live in Norway. Here, not using the apps Vipps, Ruter, google maps, EV charger etc. - will in the best case cost you a lot more time used. Worst case, e.g. there is an incident ahead which you may well avoid by changing route in due time. Or you have to call a taxi instead of taking a bus. For my personal use i think i could not avoid Android, too much lost time and possibilities without it.
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

@Fabio @Diego Roversi @devrtz :debian: @fnord99 my experience (in Italy) is that a lot of places that are trying to pressure you into installing their app do have an app-free alternative hidden somewhere, it only takes a bit of patience (and time, which not everybody has, of course) to find them.

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