"The closest to a natural experiment we can get is comparing Sweden to other Nordic countries. When doing that, Sweden did noticably worse."

Careful, there is extremely bad info flying around, and bad data. My understanding is that 85% of those who "died of COVID" in Sweden actually died of another illness, and just happened to test COVID positve... without, perhaps - any symptoms of COVID.

We have this problem (to the max) in the USA. People who were taken to the ER with gunshot wounds and died were sometimes counted amongst COVID fatality statistics - why? Because they tested all the patient upon arrival for COVID in the ER - and anyone who died, if they were positive on those tests - were reported in the COVID fatality index data - irregardless of whether or not COVID was the cause of death.

The government officials of the USA have called this a "very liberal" data gathering standard....

also, Medicare was reimbursing hospitals extra money - over $1000, I forget exactly, for any COVID patients they were treating - which increased the incentive for doctors and hospitals to report patients as COVID positive and also cooperate with the flawed (erroneous) death reporting statistic gathering standards.....

"Had the rest of the world acted on the first warning like the people of HK did even before their government did, there wouldn’t have been an omicron strain to import."

True. If COVID truly was the dangerous infection as presented, if people were really serious and the governments really concerned, and we really were "all in this together" we could have actually stepped up in effective ways to stop it.

I bet Hong Kong doesn't have homeless people all over the streets, and children going hungry as bad as other 1st world countries either. If you want "herd immunity" - feed and shelter the people. Otherwise - they will always be sick with something!

Hmm.. Perhaps you would like to share your data analysis sources? This does not match my understanding. My understanding was there was no significant excess death during the beginning of the pandemic, and then deaths did skyrocket signifcantly after vaccines were introduced.

At the beginning of the pandemic the general information being presented where I am was that Covid was supposed 10 more dangerous than the seasonal flu (estimate ), and that we lose 600,000 globally per year to flu. So, my calculations were we could be at risk of losing 6 million at worse - or, perhaps if it snowballed and became exponential (with contagion increases) we could lose more. I don't really trust these estimates at all anymore, and think I have much better information now. In any case, it doesn't really line up with the numerical presentation you provide.

"Finland is showing that rather unparadoxically the best way of getting people out of homelessness is to give them a home first. "

This is not paradoxical at all, and is in fact completely scientifically proven through the "Housing First" studies done in, I believe, the 1990s in the United States... It is also basic common sense. Nothing good can come of being homeless, and any common sense is that a human needs to be not homeless, and have a home, to "fix" that problem - and ask questions later.

Here's a decent article on it: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/housing-first-solution-to-homelessness-utah/

I dunno what's going on wher e you live, but the states of the US are all deliberately choosing to waste more money keeping people homeless than it would cost to house them - while millions of homes sit empty - 6 x 8 more than the numnber of homeless earlier this decade- over 21 now with COVID I'm told. The encampments are out of control (have been fo ryears ... ) there's feces all over the streets coast to coast, TB and hep A outbreaks - just from the homelessness conditions of impossible sanitation . Our society is being stomped down the toilet in this most grotesque, disgusting way - I'm losing my mind at the insanity.

"@buzzkill I said “unparadoxically" I know , I am agreeing and going further because the topic is so abhorrent to me. Others will suggest it is paradoxical, which is I am sure why you said it that way. They cannot be allowed to assert so in light of all this.

"Private housing is in the top 3 most expensive in the world," I know, I heard you guys were #1 lately for rent.

"but half the population lives in Housing Authority rentals, which are affordable on a low salary."

Excellent. Very few do here, they are waitlisted for 10 years sometimes (and then they refuse to take more names to the list)

" But there are free public toilets and even showers in multiple places."

Excellent. We need this!

In San Francisco some years back they started closing many of their public toilets at 5 pm. Many others cities have taken toilets in parks "out of order" 24 /7... pre-pandemic.

"If you do not have a salary for the moment, I don’t know how you would find a roof."

Are you familiar with the "coffin homes" I keep hearing about?

Looks a mess, but I can understand with the prices so high.

We have unorganized crash houses here with people coming out of the eves everywhere. It's horrible

Oh brother. I've seen a couple docs / news reports on it a long time ago.

googling, here's two I've seen that start with the subdivides then cover the coffin homes in HK




and here's some random print articles I haven't read:

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/05/the-coffin-homes-of-hong-kong/526881/
https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/human-interest/hong-kong-coffin-homes-544768.html

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

brb

Trying to find info on Sweden, and the studies I heard cited, i am not sure how - but starting, I found this, which is interesting:

" all-cause mortality in the pandemic year was 3% higher due to the lower rate in 2019 (MRR 1.03; 95% CI 1.02–1.04). Excess mortality was confined to people aged ⩾70 years in Sweden compared with previous years. Conclusions: All-cause mortality in 2020 decreased in Norway and increased in Sweden compared with previous years. The observed excess deaths in Sweden during the pandemic may, in part, be explained by mortality displacement due to the low all-cause mortality in the previous year."

They have 'tube' homes now :P It said they were trying to keep them secret because they are illegal - I guess it's working?

Cool, thanks.

I was studying PCR test science today and saw this: "The UK health secretary, Matt Hancock, is ordering an urgent review of the daily Covid-19 death statistics produced by Public Health England, after it emerged that they may include recovered former sufferers who could have died of other causes.

The oddity was revealed in a paper by Yoon K Loke and Carl Heneghan of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, titled “Why no one can ever recover from Covid-19 in England – a statistical anomaly”.

Their analysis suggests that PHE cross-checks the latest notifications of deaths against a database of positive test results – so that anyone who has ever tested positive is recorded in the Covid-19 death statistics.

“It seems that PHE regularly looks for people on the NHS database who have ever tested positive, and simply checks to see if they are still alive or not. PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the Covid test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community,” the authors said.

They said this was the reason why PHE figures “vary substantially from day to day”. They also said about 80,000 recovered patients in the community were continuing to be monitored by PHE for the daily death statistics, even though many are elderly and may die of something else.

They concluded: “It’s time to fix this statistical flaw that leads to an over-exaggeration of Covid-associated deaths.”

A Department of Health and Social Care source said: “You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/matt-hancock-calls-urgent-inquiry-phe-covid-19-death-figures
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly

I don't trust the government numbers for positive tests, or deaths, at all right now. There is endless evidence they are way off. I am most interested in the truth :)

Hey, sorry, I've een overwhelmed b y this. I looked into PCR further - i've never seen anything this bad, this "science" fraud, widespread, in my lifetime. I've heard there were bad things in past in human history - this is insane, I've seen nothing like this "on my watch". It's quite disturbing.

I really appreciate finding Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR method (and won the nobel prize for doing so), speaking ,and clearly explaining PCR cannot be used for diagnosis. Let alone the insanity that we were running up to 45 cycles!!! This is nuts - mind blowing.

Have you seen the clips of him in video speaking on this, years ago, available online?

I just - wow.

With the insane false positive rate - clearly exploited by those in power to make the appearance of worsening, or improving, "case rates", as served them - it amazes me anyone ever got a false negative. Some people did! OMG

https://odysee.com/@halloftruth:c/dr-kary-mullis-fauci-the-hiv-scam:4
https://odysee.com/@Setting-Brushfires:a/Dr-Kary-Mullis-Explains-the-PCR-Test:3

I also saw this recent doc which lay out current things going on re: PCR abuse

https://odysee.com/@freedomfilm:b/HARM-1_v3-grade-mix_h264-8mbs:d

Are you following the Corona Investigative Committee? Started by some prominent lawyers in Europe, it is being worked on b y experts around the world. I cannot recommend it enough.

Here is their main site: corona-ausschuss.de/en
They have started an international tribunal! : grand-jury.net
and here are some of the recordings of their sessions I found ( I don't know how to find the rest - let me know if you see them! :) https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5

Take care!

Hey @Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) I heard something that COVID got bad in Hong Kong? I hope you and yours are ok?
I dunno if vitamin C is all sold out there yet but I highly recommend getting it for you and yours and all taking it at the first sign of any symptoms, and take it frequently until all symptoms are gone. Take care!!!!

Actually that's not true, and 1. it has nothing to do with linus pauling 2. I never said anything about large doses, let alone "overdosing" (which techinically isn't possible - there has never been a known "overdose" from vitamin C, and let alone no one has ever, ever died from vitamin C, let alone other deleterious effect etc. - it simply has no concern over a large dose. It simply functionally isn't possible to "overdose" vitamin C

All this shows that you are just completely unfamiliar on the data, and nothing is "anecdotal", nor did I refer to anything "anecdotal" in anyway shape or form, nor did I refer to Pauling and his work, nor is his work and evidence and conclusions "anecdotal"

It is simply basic nutrition and biology. I also recommended taking it frequently - which just further shows your unfamiliarity with the subject.

I feel quite sorry for Hong Kong. They have shot themselves in the foot, the vaccine for the original SARS-cov-2 strain makes humans more vulnerable to the newer strains.

I recommend you do not likewise continually following blindly in these foolish practices.