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When it's all caps I prefer to think of it as lowercase in a font where all letters look uppercase.

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Thomas
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all caps makes a difference though; très cool and TRES COOL are both acceptable spellings (-;
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Hypolite Petovan
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@clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’› @Thomas In theory no, in practice no one knows how to type them and relatively few fonts support them.
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Thomas
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@hypolite A situation that antedates computers. There's a long history of intellectuals complaining that majuscule letters should be accepted too, and French people collectively ignoring them, except sometimes not.
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Hypolite Petovan
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@Thomas @clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’› I was taught to write accents on capital letters in school. I found it hard to do it on a French AZERTY keyboard but after I moved to the US, I’ve found it easier to write accented capitals with the US International QWERTY keyboard.
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@Hypolite Petovan @Thomas I'm showing my ignorance here, but isn't putting an accent on E as easy or difficult as putting an accent on e, both on the keyboard and on the screen?

Do French keyboards have a special key for Γ© that produces something unrelated if you press shift?

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Hypolite Petovan
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@clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’› @Thomas French AZERTY keyboards have dedicated keys for Γ©, Γ¨, Γ , ΓΉ and Γ§. US International keyboard requires combination presses, like ` and then a for Γ , β€˜ then e for Γ©, etc…

This makes it easy to write accented capital letters by combining with a capital letters, while French keyboard dedicated keys don’t have capital versions like you said. For example Shift + Γ© gives 2.

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@Hypolite Petovan Oh! That's more exotic than I could have imagined.

I wonder if this means users of French keyboards love the numpad more than others do. I would expect so.

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Hypolite Petovan
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@clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’› @Thomas I can’t speak for everybody but all my laptops have had a numpad, even with a US keyboard.
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Thomas
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The new AZERTY keyboard makes some small changes, like adding dead keys for all accents, and getting rid of the dedicated ΓΉ key; it's great, and was very easy to adjust to. Unfortunately, no one seems to care about AFNOR standards, and it looks like it's just going to be generally ignored. It's too bad because being able to type Γ€ is nice
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
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@Hypolite Petovan @clacke: looking for something πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡­πŸ‡°πŸ’™πŸ’› @Thomas the same happens with Italian keyboards: special keys for lowercase Γ  Γ¨ Γ© Γ¬ Γ² ΓΉ, with different symbols when used with shift (iirc Γ© is shift-Γ¨).

And on the keyboard I'm using right now (which I believe comes from Finland) there is e.g. a key labeled ΓΈ ΓΆ Ε“ which I believe works the same way, with shift and possibly alt (I don't *know*, I've always ignored the labels and used it with the us-altgr-intl map)

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@Elena ``of Valhalla'' Scandinavian layouts don't suffer from this. When there's an ΓΆ then shift gives you Γ–. If AltGr+ΓΆ gives you ΓΈ then Shift+AltGr+ΓΆ gives you Ø.

I don't know what qualifier they would use to get Ε“ on the same key, but that character as far as I know isn't used in Scandinavian languages nor in Finnish. Swedish Wikipedia says English and French use it.

Maybe Ε“ is printed on the ΓΆ key because some other layout than sv/fi would put it there.

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> the us-altgr-intl map


β€Œ@Elena ``of Valhalla'' Is that EurKey you're referring to? It rocks!

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Thomas
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EurKey looks interesting, but yuck to the ANSI physical layout. And it's definitely very germanic in its choice/position of the precomposed accented letters. Which obviously isn't bad per se, but is also not going to ingratiate itself to Southern Europe

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Thomas
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Ok, from that angle it makes sense to target ANSI. The traditional French layout is usually usable on ANSI, as you usually get the <> key up next to the 1, and the key that goes missing is the useless Β² key. A German keyboard on ANSI would be a lot less fun

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Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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@hypolite @tfb It's on the numrow, so you need an actual caps-lock (or dead keys on a different layout, or the full-on Unixy thing that's a compose key), while Windows only has a shift-lock so they cannot type Γ‰.
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If anyone is feeling bad about a quote from a t-shirt turning into a deep-dive on Italian keyboard layouts, *don't*.

For every little insignificant everyday event I post about, this is what I'm *hoping* will happen, it's why I'm here. Call it manufactured serendipity if you want a fancy term.

Off-topic is the main topic. I'm leaking random stuff from my mind that I hope will somehow teach me something I didn't know I wanted to know. Like how French people need to press Shift to get a digit.

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Paolo Redaelli
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@fabrixxm it's one of the many, many things that #Linux users take for granted that are NOT available in any form in Windows and requires tricks resembling black magic. For example to get Γ€ΓˆΓ’Γ™ΓŒ you must type ALT + 0192, ALT + 0200, ALT + 0192, ALT+0210, ALT+0217 e ALT+204. Su Windows. Davvero COMODISSIMO, non trovate? Ogni giorno di piΓΉ mi stupisco di come la gente riesca ad usarlo quell'OS .... 😭 @valhalla @hypolite @clacke @tfb
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