My main point was that we agree that this set of people is mostly separate from the set of people who want to benefit from what a running server can do.
Anyway, I didn't say zero, I said "near zero". The intrinsic joy of getting software to work is a thing to a very niche part of the population and soon wears off to boot.
This number is not going to change. The number we can affect is the number of people who *don't mind* running a server, because that depends entirely on how demanding it is and how useful it is. And that's where Moxie is wrong, he's looking at the wrong number.
Improve userops, improve this number. Improve what running a server can offer you, improve the number again. And when ISPs charge extra for static IP and open ports the number goes down again.
However, there is a big difference between the set of people who want to run a server and the set of people who will grudgingly accept to run a server if that means having their own server :D
There are projects like the freedombox that aren't managed (as in: there isn't a person to call if something goes wrong), but try to make it as easy as possible to host things, and they run on pretty cheap hardware.
Freedombox is also available pre-installed, and while not extremely cheap it's in a range that is reasonably so for a middle-class (lol) household in the rich part of the world.
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Astra: Zero Luma
in reply to Shark Blackle • • •I mean, the problem is that the set of people that want to have a website and the set of people that want to run a server are pretty distinct.
I guess you could imagine a managed server hardware product, but then you have a higher barrier to entry (more expensive).
I think we need more stuff like geocities and Tumblr and myspace.
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in reply to Astra: Zero Luma • • •Yeah this is near zero. The one thing Moxie got right. =)
Astra: Zero Luma
in reply to clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 • • •no, it's not zero--lots of people enjoy getting their hands dirty in computers.
But they are the people that enjoy the process, tinkering with the metaphorical engine. They're generally not in it to just make a website.
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
in reply to Astra: Zero Luma • • •My main point was that we agree that this set of people is mostly separate from the set of people who want to benefit from what a running server can do.
Anyway, I didn't say zero, I said "near zero". The intrinsic joy of getting software to work is a thing to a very niche part of the population and soon wears off to boot.
This number is not going to change. The number we can affect is the number of people who *don't mind* running a server, because that depends entirely on how demanding it is and how useful it is. And that's where Moxie is wrong, he's looking at the wrong number.
Improve userops, improve this number. Improve what running a server can offer you, improve the number again. And when ISPs charge extra for static IP and open ports the number goes down again.
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in reply to Astra: Zero Luma • •There are projects like the freedombox that aren't managed (as in: there isn't a person to call if something goes wrong), but try to make it as easy as possible to host things, and they run on pretty cheap hardware.
Freedombox is also available pre-installed, and while not extremely cheap it's in a range that is reasonably so for a middle-class (lol) household in the rich part of the world.
olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/…
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