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It might very well not be an original thought, but it just crossed my mind. The reason why there are so many white cishet guys within the #FLOSS community is likely to some parts because they don't have to struggle in their lives as hard as many minorities. Being able to contribute to FLOSS projects is a privilege that you have: resource wise (time, money), mental stability, less likely to struggle with daily tasks. 1/7 🧵
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I wish that more of those folks would be aware of that, and elevate those that don't live in that position, support and be open to spend time to help out those that struggle more with their lives. 2/7
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Even though I'm #trans and we live in a really rough time right now globally because of all the hate, intentional misinformation and even legal regulation put in place - I still am white, able-bodied, have a good paying job in a save country - which gives me a fair amount of possibility to invest into support. 3/7
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I would wish for more people to be aware of that and work on improving society, and not just have those that struggle for various reasons to be supportive of others who also struggle. This shouldn't be a matter of that you need to struggle yourself to see those patterns - everyone should be able to notice them. 4/7
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Especially in times where we globally see a shift towards a more authoritarian and oppressive society when you don't fit in in some sense, I really would love for people involved in the FLOSS community to think about that, and what FLOSS is about: software accessible for all of us. 5/7
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We shouldn't copy society in that sense because we already got our minds set toward a better society. To improve society. For a more open society. With access to it for everyone. And we should take a strict stand against those pushbacks, especially within our FLOSS communities, but also outside of that. 6/7
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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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Be there for your siblings in these rough times, and don't let them fight alone. Might it be BIPOCs, queer folks, trans folks, inter people. FLOSS always thrived and flourished in #diversity. The FLOSS community is a global one, so don't start to think nationalistic, for god's sake. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 7/7
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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@viel_zu_negativ Could I interest you in joining the @haecksen - it's a chapter of the CCC that specifically tries to work on those issues within the bigger organization. I know of all the difficulties that transmasc folks have with both the term FLINTA and women's dominated spaces, about fitting in or really be meant along, and I'm trans femme, but I believe that the haecksen really try to make it work. Give it a try. :)
@haecksen @whatever
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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@viel_zu_negativ I totally hear you with that. I would wish there was an easy solution to that. You know, one that isn't at the size of getting rid of patriarchy once and for all. Sending hugs if wanted. @haecksen
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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@viel_zu_negativ Yep, the people lost are more than annoying. It only gets easier with age because you start to realize it's their loss, not yours. You seem to be an awesome human being. I'm definitely looking forward to read your story. ❤
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maybe it could be also related to statistics? Cishet pepole are about 80% (or more?) of the population, so it seems just logical that they outnumber noncis-nonhet in FLOSS, or anywhere else.
Interesting fact: in my circles there are more than 30% non-cis-het people doing FLOSS, way more than their representation in population. Also may be related that IT separates well online and IRL personalities.
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
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@grin @Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈 cishet women are about half of the cishet population, but they are a much smaller, almost 1-digit, percentage of FLOSS people (and usually under a stronger societal pressure to do other kinds of unpaid work in their free time).

Other minorities of lesser socioeconomical (mostly economical) status are basically not existent.

Personally I don't think that the FLOSS community has the means to fix what is a problem of the wider society (other than making an effort to act with basic civility, that sometimes is missing), but it doesn't mean that there isn't a problem.

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@valhalla Have you just changed the topic from cishet people to cishet males? 😒

And again: population statistics. Female ratio in IT is _not_ 50%, independent of sexual orientation.

Personally I don't think males can fix the problem of females not interested in some topics. I am not even sure there's a need to fixing it. But that's me.

@Elena ``of Valhalla''
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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@grin No, @valhalla didn't change the topic - *you* did. I don't want to imply intention, but it's kinda shady to accuse valhalla of changing the topic, while you were the person that did it.

Yes, males can fix that structural problem. It's not that women aren't interested in STEM, it's just that it is not very inviting, and all the structures that patriarchy built around it. Please don't close your eyes to that.

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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@grin

"I'm not even sure there's a need to fixing it." Privilege shows, it doesn't affect you, so you don't see the need for the change. Not even when others affected by it tells you there would be a need. Your privilege shows very much.

@grin
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you did.
You talked about trans people as "the" minority and now you include all women plus trans. Thats what I call "changing the target".

Your second paragraph is not true. It is not false either, it contains bits of truth and bits of conspiration theories and probably a large amount of social justice warriorship. It has not been my experience and I cannot help with your own theories.
It does not mean you sholdn't do it. Just stop trying to tell me what to think.

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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@grin If you noticed I have said cishet guys, so the 80% is shifting the view. Like @valhalla rightfully pointed out the unpaid care work often falls on the shoulders of women. It's a socioeconomic issue, and yes, it exists in other areas too, but it makes it interesting to see it reproduced in an area that usually prides itself in a high ideal view of the world, and that's what I address in the thread.

Yes, we can't fix society as a whole, but we can do better, through our specific lense

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@valhalla I agree, okay, but then that's a multi-faceted poroblem, not just about "minorities". (Unless anyone think 51% of the population is minority.)
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Rhonda D'Vine 🏳️‍🌈
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@grin Women are historically treated as minority by patriarchy. That's a structural thing, and it still shows. @valhalla
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@valhalla but then you have significantly moved the target. I cannot cover in 500 characters minorities AND women AND society AND IT AND FOSS. All these require essays to debate about.
I apologise, over and out.
@Elena ``of Valhalla''

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