Woman in the train station: Oh, I don't like the US right now.
Me: I keep trying to get people to stop using Facebook.
Woman: I don't use Facebook!
Me: What messaging software do you use?
Woman: WhatsApp
Me: That's Facebook.
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Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •The problem with old macs is broadcom. The rest of the hardware is great, but the WiFi just quits working because somebody sneezed wrong or whatever. They can only go to places or people I have really regular contact with.
Like, the charity I do audio for now has one but I couldn't just hand it to a stranger unless they are super motivated or are already experienced.
Anyway, apparently broadcom still exists and makes shit for data centres? In the end, we won't even need to attack the centres, somebody will just sneeze, all the networking will collapse, and it will be end of large lying machines.
fraggLe!
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Yes! I have a 17" MBP from 2011 and it's just perfect as a Linux daily driver, except after one of the minor kernel version bumps the wifi simply goes catatonic and only a reboot will bring it back. Can't even replace it with something not-shit because it's an apple-specific form factor.
Doesn't do it on MacOS, but the highest this machine can reasonably go is High Sierra (because it's a 2011 MBP so the Radeon GPU is cactus).
So frustrating! It's still a fine machine, bar the wifi!
TelH90
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in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan
No she actually didn't know and was keen to learn abut Signal.
TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Except #Signal is the same problems:
- Another #US #Corporation, thus subject to #CloudAct.
- Collecting #PII (#PhoneNumber!).
- Another #proprietary platform.
- Another shady monetization with some #Shitcoin - #scam called #MobileCoin!
youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1…
youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU…
Signal's Terrible MobileCoin Betrayal
The Hated One (YouTube)Steldamm
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan
Moxie´s new villa (after his #Signal #MobileCoin scam)
finance.yahoo.com/news/signal-…
But #Matrix is also not the solution:
telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-0…
why not matrix?
TelegraphCharles ☭ is a Green
in reply to Steldamm • • •@Steldamm @kkarhan
Well since nothing is perfect unless we all roll our own XMPP servers, the nice older lady in the train station should just keep using WhatsApp. After all what's the point of less metadata collection unless everyone who staffs and runs it is perfect? There's no point in trying to improve things for normal people.
Steldamm
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@kkarhan
XMPP leaks metadata, like matrix
"Metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody´s life. If you have enough metadata, you don´t really need content."
#NSA General Counsel
Stewart Baker
in:
"We kill people based on metadata"
nybooks.com/daily/2014/05/10/w…
The only messenger that does not leak or store metadata is the one the user pays for: Threema!
'We Kill People Based on Metadata' | David Cole
David Cole (The New York Review of Books)TelH90
in reply to Steldamm • • •@Steldamm And what makes you believe the #NSA doesn't get all the #data it wants from #Signal users via #Amazon #aws, which it's 100% dependent upon?
- You don't need much #metadata when the provider collects and habds out the #PhoneNumber they demand for signup, and from any Phone Number it's easy to go to the #ICCID of the #SIM and subsequently #IMSI and #IMEI.
c.im/@kkarhan/1165497085448916…
IOW: If you expect Signal to cover your ass against the #NSA, I'd call you criminally stupid and if your threat model includes state-sponsored attackers like that, #SelfHosting your own #XMPP Server on the #Tor network is gonna be the least of your problems.
Cuz at that point chances are you're sleeping with more than a pistol under your pillow!
TelH90
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TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Well, I use #XMPP+#OMEMO exclusively and the #Metadata-#FUD by #Signal fans is moot given they demand #PII in the form of a #PhoneNumber and are subject to #CloudAct.
- There are simple & privacy-preserving options, like @monocles, which one can even pay for with #CashByMail and #Monero!
docs.monocles.eu/account/accou…
Overview - monocles Documentation
docs.monocles.euCharles ☭ is a Green
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan @Steldamm @monocles
Look, like you, I am a tech nerd. I've hosted fedi servers. I have a lot of websites. I'm writing a CMS for an MMPORG.
I cannot be fucked to host my own XMPP server. Nobody I know uses XMPP since the embrace extend extinguish thing happened with it. Is this fair? No. Is it true? Yes.
No normal person in a train station wants to hear about ex em pee pee.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • •@Charles ☭ is a Green @monocles @Steldamm @TelH90 my experience was that hosting an XMPP server lead pretty quickly to having friends and family use it, although there were a couple additional factors:
* family members (who are pretty normal people) got an account on that server, so they only had to install conversations on their phone
* most of our friends are of the FLOSS-nerd variety, and there are enough who are able to run their own server to provide for themselves and for the non-uploading nerds of the group, but everybody had at least some motivation, once the effort required was low
* I'm not on other chat systems (other than IRC, which I'm not going to recommend to family members :) )
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Alexandre Oliva
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •why bother with servers? #GNU #Jami FTW
CC: @monocles@monocles.social @celesteh@hachyderm.io @Steldamm@vivaldi.net @kkarhan@c.im
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TelH90
in reply to Alexandre Oliva • • •@lxo @valhalla @monocles @Steldamm nah.
Like #Tox, without any caching / bouncing shit only works when both are online, which kinda makes the whole idea moot IMHO.
- If I only want comms when both sides are on, I may just use #WebRTC instead…
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Alexandre Oliva
in reply to TelH90 • • •keep a Jami linked device running at home, at work or on a vps, and you'll have your own bouncer, like I do
CC: @valhalla@social.gl-como.it @monocles@monocles.social @celesteh@hachyderm.io @Steldamm@vivaldi.net
Alexandre Oliva
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •why bother with servers? #GNU #Jami FTW
CC: @monocles@monocles.social @celesteh@hachyderm.io @Steldamm@vivaldi.net @kkarhan@c.im
TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@Steldamm @monocles exceot it's not really true.
#XMPP still thrives.
- Just not with #TechIlliterates…
Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan @Steldamm @monocles
Fine. I'm tech illiterate. Every normal person is tech illiterate.
Us tech illiterate people have other priorities. I want to make music and go for long walks with my dog instead.
I also want a chat thats not owned by Facebook.
TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@Steldamm @monocles shure, but you propably don't want your comms owned by anyone who's incentivized to monetize them.
- And that applies to every provider & solution that isn't funded by the users.
I'd rather pay €2 p.m. for eMail & Chat than have it scraped by anyone.
Also just because everyone does it doesn't mean it's less wrong - see #NSAbook!
Talya (she/her) 🏳️⚧️✡️
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •i'll consider switching to XMPP once two things happen:
1. i'll be convinced that i can get my technophobic boomerest of boomers dad onto XMPP like i got him to Signal
2. their cryptography actually becomes good: soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against…
Against XMPP+OMEMO - Dhole Moments
Soatok (Dhole Moments)TelH90
in reply to Talya (she/her) 🏳️⚧️✡️ • • •@Yuvalne @Steldamm @monocles #XMPP+#OMEMO & #PGP/MIME works and investing 15' to setup people does the trick for #TechIlliterates.
- As for the #FUD, I'm not gonna waste repeating myself. Complain at those that deleted my writeups…
pixelschubsi
in reply to Talya (she/her) 🏳️⚧️✡️ • • •jordan
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@Steldamm @kkarhan I run my own #XMPP server and still had to migrate my family to #Signal for for daily use because the app ecosystem is only so-so for it, especially on iPhone/Apple products. Never could get my family to receive push-like notifications when they got new messages, no matter what I tried.
Nothing's perfect, but some things are more perfect than others. :)
TelH90
in reply to jordan • • •@wagesj45 @Steldamm granted, that's due to #Apple being assholes and basically #MITM'ing all #PushNotifications, not a Problem of #XMPP+#OMEMO.
- Needless to say said Push Notification system on #iOS is an #InfoSec risk as those get stored unencrypted on device!
#Signal being a #proprietary, #centralozed, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider service that neither has #ReproduceableBuilds nor #SelfHosting basically operates solely on "#TrustMeBro!" Security, and gven they demand a #PhoneNumber, the entire "#Metadate-#FUD" they pull is completely bs.
c.im/@kkarhan/1165497339966791…
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TelH90 (C.IM)Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan @wagesj45 @Steldamm
Everyone who doesn't untag me from this thread is getting blocked.
I'm simply too tech illiterate to follow all this nerd stuff. Its like so gross. Ew.
jordan
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Talya (she/her) 🏳️⚧️✡️
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in reply to BellwetherFarm • • •@BellwetherFarm @debacle @wagesj45 in these cases a logfile from your Monal installation would be very helpful.
Monal also has a debug screen for notifications showing a detailed status including explanatory text: go to settings -> general settings -> notifications -> debug notification problems