Woman in the train station: Oh, I don't like the US right now.
Me: I keep trying to get people to stop using Facebook.
Woman: I don't use Facebook!
Me: What messaging software do you use?
Woman: WhatsApp
Me: That's Facebook.
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Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •The problem with old macs is broadcom. The rest of the hardware is great, but the WiFi just quits working because somebody sneezed wrong or whatever. They can only go to places or people I have really regular contact with.
Like, the charity I do audio for now has one but I couldn't just hand it to a stranger unless they are super motivated or are already experienced.
Anyway, apparently broadcom still exists and makes shit for data centres? In the end, we won't even need to attack the centres, somebody will just sneeze, all the networking will collapse, and it will be end of large lying machines.
TelH90
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TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Charles ☭ is a Green
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan
No she actually didn't know and was keen to learn abut Signal.
TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Except #Signal is the same problems:
- Another #US #Corporation, thus subject to #CloudAct.
- Collecting #PII (#Pohnenumber!).
- Another proprietary platform.
- Another shady monetization with some #Shitcoin - #scam called #MobileCoin!
youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1…
youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU…
Signal's Terrible MobileCoin Betrayal
The Hated One (YouTube)Steldamm
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan
Moxie´s new villa (after his #Signal #MobileCoin scam)
finance.yahoo.com/news/signal-…
But #Matrix is also not the solution:
telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-0…
why not matrix?
TelegraphCharles ☭ is a Green
in reply to Steldamm • • •@Steldamm @kkarhan
Well since nothing is perfect unless we all roll our own XMPP servers, the nice older lady in the train station should just keep using WhatsApp. After all what's the point of less metadata collection unless everyone who staffs and runs it is perfect? There's no point in trying to improve things for normal people.
Steldamm
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@kkarhan
XMPP leaks metadata, like matrix
"Metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody´s life. If you have enough metadata, you don´t really need content."
#NSA General Counsel
Stewart Baker
in:
"We kill people based on metadata"
nybooks.com/daily/2014/05/10/w…
The only messenger that does not leak or store metadata is the one the user pays for: Threema!
'We Kill People Based on Metadata' | David Cole
David Cole (The New York Review of Books)TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •Well, I use #XMPP+#OMEMO exclusively and the #Metadata-#FUD by #Signal fans is moot given they demand #PII in the form of a #PhoneNumber and are subject to #CloudAct.
- There are simple & privacy-preserving options, like @monocles, which one can even pay for with #CashByMail and #Monero!
docs.monocles.eu/account/accou…
Overview - monocles Documentation
docs.monocles.euCharles ☭ is a Green
in reply to TelH90 • • •@kkarhan @Steldamm @monocles
Look, like you, I am a tech nerd. I've hosted fedi servers. I have a lot of websites. I'm writing a CMS for an MMPORG.
I cannot be fucked to host my own XMPP server. Nobody I know uses XMPP since the embrace extend extinguish thing happened with it. Is this fair? No. Is it true? Yes.
No normal person in a train station wants to hear about ex em pee pee.
Debacle
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@kkarhan @Steldamm@vivaldi.net @monocles
I guess, the correct pronounciation of #XMPP in #IPA is
'ʤæb.əʳ
framapiaf.org/@debacle/1158043…
#Jabber
Debacle
2025-12-29 18:57:40
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • •@Charles ☭ is a Green @monocles @Steldamm @TelH90 my experience was that hosting an XMPP server lead pretty quickly to having friends and family use it, although there were a couple additional factors:
* family members (who are pretty normal people) got an account on that server, so they only had to install conversations on their phone
* most of our friends are of the FLOSS-nerd variety, and there are enough who are able to run their own server to provide for themselves and for the non-uploading nerds of the group, but everybody had at least some motivation, once the effort required was low
* I'm not on other chat systems (other than IRC, which I'm not going to recommend to family members :) )
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Alexandre Oliva
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •why bother with servers? #GNU #Jami FTW
CC: @monocles@monocles.social @celesteh@hachyderm.io @Steldamm@vivaldi.net @kkarhan@c.im
TelH90
in reply to Alexandre Oliva • • •@lxo @valhalla @monocles @Steldamm nah.
Like #Tox, without any caching / bouncing shit only works when both are online, which kinda makes the whole idea moot IMHO.
- If I only want comms when both sides are on, I may just use #WebRTC instead…
Alexandre Oliva
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •why bother with servers? #GNU #Jami FTW
CC: @monocles@monocles.social @celesteh@hachyderm.io @Steldamm@vivaldi.net @kkarhan@c.im
TelH90
in reply to Charles ☭ is a Green • • •@Steldamm @monocles exceot it's not really true.
#XMPP still thrives.
- Just not with #TechIlliterates…