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Considering that both #XMPP and #Matrix re-invented #decentralized communication while #email was already there, makes #deltachat more interesting.

The fact that DC didn't invent a new protocol for #InstantMessaging and just used the protocol which was already there, and also that how far has it gone, is mind blowing.

At first when I was chatting with @treefit, I already was developing a Matrix client(#chooj) for #KaiOS and it was the only decentralized IM which I was using and investing resources into. I was skeptical but then I thought it would be a good idea to invest into DeltaChat, as well as Matrix. His argument, of course, wasn't good. He was arguing that we need multiple options in the case one of decentralized IMs fail. However this convinced me to give DC a try.

But now, I see that DC has very unique advantages no other messenger has. Their moto is "playing the long term" game. Unlike Matrix which suddenly exploded, DC moves very slowly. As an advantage, DC is much more consistent, hassle free, has less bugs(in my experience) and has better UI/UX than many Matrix clients. But it has got several disadvantages. Matrix has tons more features which DC hasn't got or has added them just recently such as editing messages and reactions. And it is not yet suitable for public groups, like the ones we've got in the Matrix network.

Overall, if you want secure chat with friends or family or other people you trust, DeltaChat is a very good option and the experience is very good. And I haven't seen something like #webxdc in any other IM. However if you want something like #Discord guilds for a community, Matrix is the way to go.

BTW, DC currently lacks funding, thanks to what #Trump did with #OpenTechnologyFund(#OTF). If you can help in anyway, financial or otherwise, it will be extra valuable at this point.

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BTW, here are websites of webxdc and DC:

delta.chat
webxdc.org/

Edit2: Make sure to check WebXDC, apps shared in #P2P deltachat groups or DMs.

#IM #FOSS #Messenger #MessagingApp #opensource #opensourceIM #freesoftware


webxdc - web apps shared in a chat

no logins, no coins, no platforms 🎉
webxdc.org
#FreeSoftware #OpenSource #FOSS #xmpp #trump #matrix #p2p #messenger #Discord #decentralized #Email #instantmessaging #im #DeltaChat #Webxdc #kaios #otf #MessagingApp #opentechnologyfund #chooj #opensourceim @treefit
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But now, I see that DC has very unique advantages no other messenger has. Their moto is “playing the long term” game. Unlike Matrix which suddenly exploded, DC moves very slowly. As an advantage, DC is much more consistent, hassle free, has less bugs(in my experience) and has better UI/UX than many Matrix clients.


I could say the exact same things for #XMPP…except XMPP has had public channels, message correction, and other features for a long time 😅

By the way, if you happen to be looking for a KaiOS XMPP client, check out Convo

Here’s a user’s guide to XMPP I wrote, if anybody needs it -
contrapunctus.codeberg.page/th…


convo/README.md at master

convo - A (simple, very basic) Jabber/XMPP client for KaiOS [WIP]
Disroot Forgejo: Brace yourself, merge conflicts ahead.
#xmpp
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pixelschubsi
pixelschubsi
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@kill_9_1 What you're describing equally applies to all federated protocols. In fact XMPP and Matrix are even better in this regard because they (optionally) route their traffic through regular HTTPS, which is impossible to distinguish from regular Web traffic. To block DeltaChat one can easily block IMAP traffic to every server other than the big providers. Given how centralized e-mail is, the fallout would be negligible.
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pixelschubsi
pixelschubsi
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While email was already there, email is not instant messaging. DeltaChat uses infrastructure built for email to deliver instant messaging. The mailbox server used in the chatmail server, dovecot, was first released in 2002. XMPP was first released 1999.
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@pixelschubsi
The point is that DeltaChat didn't invent a new protocol, start something from scratch and write the software for it from the first line. As there is a saying:

Good programmers write programs from scratch. Great programmers find an already existing program and use it as a base.


#DeltaChat didn't invent #Email, #PGP, #autocrypt or new technology for #webxdc. Even WebXDC's real time channels don't use a technology invented by DC.

#Email #PGP #DeltaChat #autocrypt #Webxdc @pixelschubsi
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Benjamin Kwiecień 🇵🇸
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I would say that e-mail is, in fact, instant messaging. You send messages and they get delivered instantly 🤷🏻
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
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@John K. @Delta Chat @pixelschubsi @treefit @Farooq | فاروق I don't know whether hosting a delta-chat-only email server is significantly easier than a regular one, but afaik that's not exactly one of the easiest things one can self-host (and often it's even The One Port Completely Blocked on home connectivity, so the rpi at home wouldn't work). A lot of the complexity of course involves not getting banned by other servers, and I don't know if DC-only servers are a bit better in this.

xmpp with prosody, OTOH, it's one of the easiest and less time consuming things I've ever hosted (on a vpn rather than at home, for reliability reasons, but it wouldn't be impossible to do at home).

@Delta Chat @treefit @pixelschubsi @Farooq | فاروق [Master Patata]
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Goffi
Goffi
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@debacle we have already shared TODO list based on Pubsub in XMPP, it's implemented in Libervia. Using a JS blob instead is a huge regression, the point of having standards is to avoid this. That said, webxdc is neat and I plan to implement it. It's notably nice for games, and few other cases.

#webxdc #xmpp #libervia

#xmpp #libervia #Webxdc @Debacle
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Goffi
Goffi
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the virtual machine with the network stack working between chat members can have its use (at least it's fun).
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JC Brand
JC Brand
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@debacle

As long as dynamic imports are possible from within an WebXDC sandbox I don't see why not.

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/do…


import() - JavaScript | MDN

The import() syntax, commonly called dynamic import, is a function-like expression that allows loading an ECMAScript module asynchronously and dynamically into a potentially non-module environment.
MDN Web Docs
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Delta Chat
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@valhalla @pixelschubsi @kill_9_1 hosting a #chatmail relay is low effort maybe apart from the initial setup and DNS-fiddling (the deployment scripts try to be precise and helpful, though). Once it runs it's near zero effort because there is no IP reputation or spam-protection to maintain, unless it's a primary goal to interact with gmail or other dominant classic mail providers.
#chatmail @Elena ``of Valhalla'' @pixelschubsi

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