it is pretty complex. And it might be the fault of my home server, but browsing people from other servers is hard because lots of their posts don't always show up. Then I have to go on the http interface, view more posts, and do the whole server-interchange thing when I want to interact.
@SOB2 Hey, sorry if the reading of my comic strip is "superiority". That wasn't my intent. 😔 In fact, this morning, my TL on Tw was full of threads crypto/nfts/AI/web3 influencer against "mastodon complexity". An irony in regards of their topic. So, that's why I sketched this strip, mostly about people not doing the effort or low effort and then using a pretext of "bad UX" , "Complexity" or anything else to justify their final behavior: keep Twitter and trying to influence other to do so too.
I see a correlation between shilling crypto (a scam) and stupidity, so they probably struggling not with just Mastodon, but can be expected that they couldn't use email.
And if cryptobro is also fan of Elon Musk (98% propability), then it's sure not about "complexity", they will find a reason to hate Mastodon and praise Twitter under new management. I've seen a post, where Mastodon is bad because... it's created by russian german (since racism on twitter is now a "freedom of speech", you can make that shitty takes)
@lanodan @SOB2 Ha maybe. I thought it was obvious because it was *a bird* that the character was doing almost no effort, aka not even trying it more than a flap of wing. Thanks for the feedback!
@lanodan @SOB2 I dunno, the bird leaping futilely is v relatable right now and I have been making a sincere effort.
Do I need to find and follow a bunch of huge accounts I'm not interested in just to unlock access to see simple things like posts from other servers with hashtags? Or do I have to have followers before I can see any content? Dozens of searches with zero results so far.
Ha, I guess the search box of your instance has difficulties but I met the issue sometimes and it can be just a simple 'hiccup of the network' due to the unprecedented very large incoming of new subscriptions.
Maybe you can use an external tool temporary like Fedisearch https://fedisearch.skorpil.cz , enter a keyword and you'll have a lot of URL (formated like email, name@instance.com) to follow. Copy/paste this URL address and enter them on your search bar. Goodluck
@SOB2 I just made a test here, and on the search box of my instance, if I enter 'cherry' I'll have: 1 user named cherry recommended on top, then two toots of replies from myself where I use the idiom 'cherry-picking', then only hashtag recommended using prefix or suffix around the keywords cherry. So, true, it doesn't scan all the toots of the local server, and less the toots/posts from the fediverse at large. Probably because it would be very server intensive to request that.
@SOB2 @erinsnarks Just a follow-up for something I just learnt even if I use Mastodon since 2017:
"There's no direct word-search here either; that means you want to use hashtags to make posts more searchable. This is also intended, since word-searching posts was often used to harass/stalk on the birdsite and elsewhere, so that was left by the wayside here. This also means hashtags are much more a thing here than any of the algorithm-powered sites." a quote from https://infosec.exchange/@chrisabides/109309319819177873
> almost no effort, aka not even trying To me it does look like that. Like the bird is stomping on the ground trying to grab their attention, not jumping to get there and join everyone 🤷 @lanodan @SOB2
@SOB2 Are you using the official Mastodon app or one of the other ones?
The official Mastodon App... needs some updates to be better, but many of the other ones have the option front and center to see the other Mastodon communities.
I've never had a Twitter account, but I left Facebook, last year, and never looked back.
I was introduced to Mastodon through StartPage. It took some time to adjust, but I'm enjoying my time here.
The benefits of community and no algorithm very much outweigh the cost of time taken to adapt. I'm certainly happy to donate to Mastodon versus having my data and habits sold for Facebook's "free" services.
Most of all, I would have never known about Pepper & Carrot without Mastodon!
@valhalla @auxanges Hey, 🤣 yes we do, you can check the history of my toots. It's just the hot topic of the week. It will pass quickly (probably) don't worry. ☺️
I'm not sure. The interface to post a new toot might be, the settings a little bit too, but here the global rules are far less complex.
I mean; they are consistent: the TL shows toots by date, no ranking algorithm to please with mystic tendency keywords, no random post from what your subscriptions "liked" or "replied", no adv in the TL.
These things are what I find complex to explain to a beginner. Here, it feels fairer for interactions, imo, and so, easier to get.
Un corbeau, ayant volé un morceau de viande, s’était perché sur un arbre. Un renard l’aperçut, se posta devant lui et loua sa beauté, ajoutant qu'il serait sûrement le meilleur roi des oiseaux, si seulement il avait de la voix. Le corbeau, voulant lui montrer que la voix ne lui manquait pas, lâcha la viande et poussa de grands cris. Le renard, saisissant le morceau, dit : "Ô corbeau, si tu avais aussi du jugement, il ne te manquerait rien pour devenir le roi des oiseaux".
@don_atoms 👍 👍 👍 Et en plus que du remix un millénaire plus tard de Jean de La Fontaine, sa version est toujours plus courte, directe, et la viande à plus de sens qu'un renard qui veux du fromage. Et la morale... "Tout flatteur vit aux dépens de celui qui l’écoute." de JdLF est quand même la pour accuser le Renard de parasitage, pour devaluer la faltterie, alors que chez Ésope le manque de jugement du Corbeaux est l'atout qui lui fait défaut pour devenir roi. BREF... 🤣 Ésope FTW.
@ScoutFinch @David Revoy On Mastodon, “likes” are called “favourites”. You make a post a “favourite” of yours by clicking on the small star-shaped icon below the post.
@dgouttegattat @ScoutFinch You are doing great ScoutFinch! Thanks for your first message and welcome here. Yes, "fav" was also used on Tw in the past before they replaced it by 'heart/like'. I prefer the nuance of 'favorite' as it can be a way to collect something, or give it a star. "Like" can have deeper implications and personal engagement.
On the web interface, I also have the "bookmark" option under the three dots (under the toot). This is precious for keeping docs for later.
@EmprexMintaka Oh yes, it is. It's require more than a single flap of wing to get here, that's what I wanted to show. I also wanted to speak about Twitter user saying/assuming it is too complex without even trying it.
this was an entirely new concept to me upon my migration from the bird site. But I'm always game to learn something new. I basically spent one half of my Sunday learning this and the other half playing Undertale. So it was quite an eventful day for me 🤣 🤣 🤣.
@afastaudir8 honestly, I thought that the people behind Mastodon themselves were the ones emailing me. That was my reasoning behind why it took so long.
Now the Gmail filtering thing might have also been possible, who the hell knows?
@loser9000 @afastaudir8 Oh yes, I heard some instances have a hard time processing all the new subscriptions. I'm sure it will be smoother in a big week from here.
There are definitely pain points to work out with the onboarding process (although the decentralized nature of the fediverse might just be a thing that is tough to explain) so I don't think it's entirely their fault. Lots of people get stuck when they try join a server, and it's full because everyone is trying to join that server, and then they don't know what other server to sign up with.
even tho I am a Twitter transplant who heard of this platform yesterday. Glad to be here and have a place to hang with other twitfugees and make some new friends.
I did see a bunch of people just like this. Working fine for me…I think. Haha
I'm... trying to figure it all out xD Still not sure how to follow people from the explore feed, need to work out how to really find all the interesting peoplei might want to follow and have an easy to click follow button :3
@riderexmachina @SeanDFW @SOB2 Here I use 90% of the time the browser/computer version ( with the multicolumn preference activated, a la 'tweetdeck' because I like to keep an eye on art hashtags ), but when on mobile, I use Tusky. I couldn't find my server instance listed on the official app. 😅
@reido Welcome here! Many are not even trying before spreading it is "too complex" or "bad UX". It's just a way to preserve their initial network and to influence against Mastodon. I see this trend growing.
mastodon4 does have serious ux problems (sidebar on the right *when you are using a mobile device*, totally unreasonable cause the small width is made even smaller). a lot of users on servers that have upgrades to mastodon4 have complained about it.
@tusooa Oh right, I have no idea about Mastodon v4; I just had a check on my instance https://framapiaf.org/about/more and it looks like I run on v3.5.3 . Thanks for this precious info! @reido
Le réseau social de l'avenir : pas de publicité, pas de surveillance institutionnelle, conception éthique et décentralisation ! Gardez le contrôle de vos données avec Mastodon !
I think it's mostly low frustration tolerance. We have gotten very used to plug-and-play, so any negotiating we have to do to get something set up is intolerable. tl:dr--we are spoiled.
@sho_ishto Ha, sure, from the perspective of the user with app on mobile, I can see the extra difficulties if you have to go first with a browser to signup for a server, do all the confirmation/email things, then later take an app and setup the app to work with the server. I'm using it mainly with a computer, so I just had to signup on a server and everything was ready to use via the browser. It was an easier first impression for sure.
I only just now realized you are THE David Revoy who shares Krita resources. I shouldnt be surprised to see you here yet I am. You are an open source awareness king for artists
@cliffhensley Yes, a lot of slowdown on big instances because the network was never tested to receive half a million new subscriptions in less than a week, it is unprecedented! Administrators are scaling up their servers (I can't imagine the costs behind it). It might be smoother in two weeks from here.
Ahh, ok, so things in experiencing such as not seeing any new Posts in the Post feed for the past 72 hours is definitely a result of server issues, and not some obscure design intent I hadn’t figured out yet? That’s good to know. I’ll be glad to see what this place is like once everything is running smoothly again. 👍
@cliffhensley Hey, I checked your profile, and you are following no other account. You'll not have recommendation, or suggestion here, you need to use the search box, and search for hashtags. Discover peoples sharing interest, and follow them. That's a way to populate a post feed/TL. Good luck with it.
Thanks for looking! I appreciate you trying to help, truly. I’ve actually followed a bunch of people, but it still says I’m following no one. If I search them out though, and open their profile, it says I’m already following them, even though according to my profile following count I’m not. Also, there are accounts showing up in the “Post” timeline on the Mastodon app, none of whom I actually follow. But even the “Post” timeline stopped updating a few days ago.
@cliffhensley Oh wow, that sounds like a bug happened. I have no idea how to fix it. Maybe try to connect to your account directly via a browser on a computer at mastodon.online to check if you can perform things. Maybe the app has a hiccup. I hope you'll find a way to enjoy & browse the network of toots.
I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for your help. You’ve been very gracious. have followed you as a result and am also going to check out your work. Looking forward to it!
@Cascadianprepper Well, for sure, I can't tell because the palette of humans, ages, education to digital can be very wide. But for sure, a lot of documentation, tutorial, video and thread exist to guide them. So, if they abandon too quickly, it really show not a lot of effort or time to get it.
It's been entertaining to watch the Twitter dumpster fire over the last 2 weeks, but it's clear that it's burning itself out quickly. I hope to find as much entertainment here as I did there!
most of the people I have seen talking about the complexity made me think more it was about their preference for a centralised system which more easily allows reaching a wider audience rather than genuinely finding Mastodon complex.
It might make it easier to promote a podcast but it's what has enabled most of the toxic content on Twitter. I'm sure there's toxic content on mastodon but I don't see it and it makes a nicer experience.
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in reply to Crab Computer/SOB_II • • •In fact, this morning, my TL on Tw was full of threads crypto/nfts/AI/web3 influencer against "mastodon complexity". An irony in regards of their topic.
So, that's why I sketched this strip, mostly about people not doing the effort or low effort and then using a pretext of "bad UX" , "Complexity" or anything else to justify their final behavior: keep Twitter and trying to influence other to do so too.
Crab Computer/SOB_II
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in reply to David Revoy • • •And if cryptobro is also fan of Elon Musk (98% propability), then it's sure not about "complexity", they will find a reason to hate Mastodon and praise Twitter under new management. I've seen a post, where Mastodon is bad because... it's created by russian german (since racism on twitter is now a "freedom of speech", you can make that shitty takes)
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Do I need to find and follow a bunch of huge accounts I'm not interested in just to unlock access to see simple things like posts from other servers with hashtags? Or do I have to have followers before I can see any content? Dozens of searches with zero results so far.
David Revoy
in reply to erinsnarks • • •Ha, I guess the search box of your instance has difficulties but I met the issue sometimes and it can be just a simple 'hiccup of the network' due to the unprecedented very large incoming of new subscriptions.
Maybe you can use an external tool temporary like Fedisearch https://fedisearch.skorpil.cz , enter a keyword and you'll have a lot of URL (formated like email, name@instance.com) to follow. Copy/paste this URL address and enter them on your search bar. Goodluck
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in reply to Crab Computer/SOB_II • • •So, true, it doesn't scan all the toots of the local server, and less the toots/posts from the fediverse at large. Probably because it would be very server intensive to request that.
@erinsnarks
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in reply to David Revoy • • •"There's no direct word-search here either; that means you want to use hashtags to make posts more searchable. This is also intended, since word-searching posts was often used to harass/stalk on the birdsite and elsewhere, so that was left by the wayside here. This also means hashtags are much more a thing here than any of the algorithm-powered sites."
a quote from https://infosec.exchange/@chrisabides/109309319819177873
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in reply to David Revoy • • •To me it does look like that. Like the bird is stomping on the ground trying to grab their attention, not jumping to get there and join everyone 🤷
@lanodan @SOB2
RiderExMachina
in reply to Crab Computer/SOB_II • • •Are you using the official Mastodon app or one of the other ones?
The official Mastodon App... needs some updates to be better, but many of the other ones have the option front and center to see the other Mastodon communities.
Malle Yeno 🦝
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in reply to David Revoy • • •I was introduced to Mastodon through StartPage. It took some time to adjust, but I'm enjoying my time here.
The benefits of community and no algorithm very much outweigh the cost of time taken to adapt. I'm certainly happy to donate to Mastodon versus having my data and habits sold for Facebook's "free" services.
Most of all, I would have never known about Pepper & Carrot without Mastodon!
nikki
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in reply to nikki • •these days, when our timeline is 50% new users from twitter and 50% people welcoming new users from twitter, a bit less :D
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in reply to Baltimore Lili • • •I'm not sure. The interface to post a new toot might be, the settings a little bit too, but here the global rules are far less complex.
I mean; they are consistent: the TL shows toots by date, no ranking algorithm to please with mystic tendency keywords, no random post from what your subscriptions "liked" or "replied", no adv in the TL.
These things are what I find complex to explain to a beginner. Here, it feels fairer for interactions, imo, and so, easier to get.
Marilyne
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in reply to gofoss • • •Et la morale... "Tout flatteur vit aux dépens de celui qui l’écoute." de JdLF est quand même la pour accuser le Renard de parasitage, pour devaluer la faltterie, alors que chez Ésope le manque de jugement du Corbeaux est l'atout qui lui fait défaut pour devenir roi. BREF... 🤣 Ésope FTW.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Damien Goutte-Gattat
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in reply to Damien Goutte-Gattat • • •Yes, "fav" was also used on Tw in the past before they replaced it by 'heart/like'. I prefer the nuance of 'favorite' as it can be a way to collect something, or give it a star. "Like" can have deeper implications and personal engagement.
On the web interface, I also have the "bookmark" option under the three dots (under the toot). This is precious for keeping docs for later.
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in reply to afastaudir8 • • •Now the Gmail filtering thing might have also been possible, who the hell knows?
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in reply to David Revoy • • •I did see a bunch of people just like this. Working fine for me…I think. Haha
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in reply to obinice • • •You can use the search bar and enter hashtags keywords to find people sharing things around your interest. Have a good journey here.
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Unknown parent • • •I hear good things about Metatext on iPhone but I use Tusky and Fedilab on Android
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in reply to tusooa :arevbunhdowohop: 西风 • • •Thanks for this precious info! @reido
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Unknown parent • • •Ha, sure, from the perspective of the user with app on mobile, I can see the extra difficulties if you have to go first with a browser to signup for a server, do all the confirmation/email things, then later take an app and setup the app to work with the server. I'm using it mainly with a computer, so I just had to signup on a server and everything was ready to use via the browser. It was an easier first impression for sure.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •It's been entertaining to watch the Twitter dumpster fire over the last 2 weeks, but it's clear that it's burning itself out quickly. I hope to find as much entertainment here as I did there!
Franklin Delano Stallone
in reply to David Revoy • • •It might make it easier to promote a podcast but it's what has enabled most of the toxic content on Twitter. I'm sure there's toxic content on mastodon but I don't see it and it makes a nicer experience.
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