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"Please sign here."

"Okay. Where's the agreement it refers to?"

"Oh, we don't have that part. Just sign it."

How many times have you gone through this scenario? It's a structural trick to make you into the Bad Guy for rudely insisting on seeing, let alone having a copy, of legally-binding documents you are being asked to sign.

Today, I was that Bad Guy. I still feel rattled. And it's still not resolved. Supposedly, they will email me something.

I am really, really tired of this BS.

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Attila Kinali
Attila Kinali
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How is that even legal? In this part of the world, if you are signing a document A that refers to another document B, but the latter is not available to you at the time you are signing, then document B does not have any legally binding power, no matter what document A says.
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Attila Kinali
Attila Kinali
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Uff... that would most likely fulfill the conditions of duress on this side of the big pond. Which is has a pretty hefty fine if not jail attached to it.

BTW: You can just cross out the part where it says that you had read document B and write there "not available at time of signing". That way you don't have to prove it later, it says there on the signed document.

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Petesmom
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But if you signed, the “agreement” when written up could be anything (looking at you #GerberCollisionAndGlass)
Isnt the better question why would any honest professional or company ask you to sign something saying you’d read an agreement they didnt have?
#gerbercollisionandglass
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Cassandrich
Cassandrich
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@attilakinali Proving that seems pretty easy in a one-party-consent audio recording jurisdiction. Just pretend to be looking for legal advice on your phone while you turn on recorder, then get them to confirm they don't have the document for you to see. 😈
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
Elena ``of Valhalla''
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@Space Catitude 🚀 here usually you do get access to the document, *after* you ask.

Except that now they have started to use so-called “digital” signatures, where they give you a tablet and a pen to sign with, on a screen that only shows the signature space of the document you're signing, so you don't have any way to see that it's the same document that they gave you to read.

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Robin Adams
Robin Adams
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@attilakinali Yes, we've trained everyone to sign legally binding agreements without reading them, and to think that's normal, and reading contracts is weird.
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