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in reply to Drew DeVault

> The unrealized potential of federation https://drewdevault.com/2020/09/20/The-potential-of-federation.html

Strong agreement on the substantive point.

Strong disagreement on the analogy to the United Federation of Planets – which comes closer to a centralized dystopia than a true federation.

Ever notice how nearly all communication (even between civilians!) ends with a federation logo? Or how few private spacecraft there are? Or the way Starfleet frequently disregards privacy/casually takes actions that should need a warrant?
in reply to codesections

god I wish people would shut the fuck up about their personal beef with the federation and realize that it's just a well-known example of a federated system, fuck me
in reply to Drew DeVault

> god I wish people would shut the fuck up about their personal beef with the federation and realize that it's just a well-known example of a federated system, fuck me

Fair :D

I don't think it's a *good*/useful example though – there's a good chance that a reader is either 1) geeky enough to feel the sort of objections I mentioned, or 2) not familiar with the Federation as anything more than "the good guys from Star Trek" – which isn't enough to help explain federation
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
I use friendica, and a few times people have asked me something like “wait, are *you* using facebook?”, so I guess it is pretty similar?
in reply to Drew DeVault

cabal solves the uptime problem pretty well you may want to give it a go.

Super nodes solve the uptime problem with p2p while also giving nerdy sys admins something to put on there always on servers.

p2p software simplifies the deployment issue that federation has (complex esoteric software that makes you want to murder people when installing).

we already tried federated software and it gave us google / facebook / twittter / etc ..

AP sucks, but works for now..
in reply to Drew DeVault

also , no reason p2p and federated cannot play nice together.. does not have to be a binary choice.
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federico
No thanks. The federated world needs meaningful conversations and community building, not another addictive twitter/facebook/instagram/snapchate clone. Profitable attention traps are not beneficial paradigms.
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federico
Mastodon differs from Twitter for being community-driven and yet the UX/UI discourages any complex conversation that require threding and categories (think of NNTP or mailing lists). Stars, boosts, follows, short messages... it's all the same dopamine-fueled paradigm of twitter, minus the money.
in reply to Drew DeVault

you could have used the UN or maritime law as an example of the governance of a federation, the second to last paragraph seems a little rushed

Aside from that, it's a pretty good argument for federation, what with the culture development and governance arguments
in reply to Drew DeVault

do you know of any federated git forges? it'd be nice to do the PR/issue/etc workflow w/o havin to make a new account on all the small servers running, eg., gitea
in reply to Drew DeVault

whaaaa ! Okay I'm gonna have to look further into this. git.sr.ht is the only instance right now, right?
in reply to acdw

no, there are several. It federates with lots of other systems which aren't running sr.ht, too.

The protocol is email.

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