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> The unrealized potential of federation https://drewdevault.com/2020/09/20/The-potential-of-federation.html

Strong agreement on the substantive point.

Strong disagreement on the analogy to the United Federation of Planets – which comes closer to a centralized dystopia than a true federation.

Ever notice how nearly all communication (even between civilians!) ends with a federation logo? Or how few private spacecraft there are? Or the way Starfleet frequently disregards privacy/casually takes actions that should need a warrant?
god I wish people would shut the fuck up about their personal beef with the federation and realize that it's just a well-known example of a federated system, fuck me
> god I wish people would shut the fuck up about their personal beef with the federation and realize that it's just a well-known example of a federated system, fuck me

Fair :D

I don't think it's a *good*/useful example though – there's a good chance that a reader is either 1) geeky enough to feel the sort of objections I mentioned, or 2) not familiar with the Federation as anything more than "the good guys from Star Trek" – which isn't enough to help explain federation
The explosion in popularity of federation for 'social networks'(full ones, not simple email or irc), if it is ever to take place, will require a different implementation of ActivityPub(or other) than Mastodon/Pleroma/etc - probably one which is more Facebook-like.

Mastodon/Pleroma is a very good Twitter replacement but a Facebook replacement is what is required.

This will be much more likely to succeed if there is an accompanying advertising/propaganda push targeting Facebook/'normal internet' users.
I use friendica, and a few times people have asked me something like “wait, are *you* using facebook?”, so I guess it is pretty similar?
No thanks. The federated world needs meaningful conversations and community building, not another addictive twitter/facebook/instagram/snapchate clone. Profitable attention traps are not beneficial paradigms.
I wasn't suggesting a wholesale cloning of Facebook.

The very fact it would be federated would make it fundamentally different. One single company would not control the network - but rather thousands or millions of instances would.

It is perhaps this fundamental characteristic of the network which has prevented Mastodon/Pleroma from degenerating into a toxic arena or to use your phrase a 'profitable attention trap'.

I don't know of any fedi instances which make a monetary profit.
Mastodon differs from Twitter for being community-driven and yet the UX/UI discourages any complex conversation that require threding and categories (think of NNTP or mailing lists). Stars, boosts, follows, short messages... it's all the same dopamine-fueled paradigm of twitter, minus the money.
cabal solves the uptime problem pretty well you may want to give it a go.

Super nodes solve the uptime problem with p2p while also giving nerdy sys admins something to put on there always on servers.

p2p software simplifies the deployment issue that federation has (complex esoteric software that makes you want to murder people when installing).

we already tried federated software and it gave us google / facebook / twittter / etc ..

AP sucks, but works for now..
also , no reason p2p and federated cannot play nice together.. does not have to be a binary choice.
you could have used the UN or maritime law as an example of the governance of a federation, the second to last paragraph seems a little rushed

Aside from that, it's a pretty good argument for federation, what with the culture development and governance arguments
do you know of any federated git forges? it'd be nice to do the PR/issue/etc workflow w/o havin to make a new account on all the small servers running, eg., gitea
sr.ht is a federated git forge
whaaaa ! Okay I'm gonna have to look further into this. git.sr.ht is the only instance right now, right?
no, there are several. It federates with lots of other systems which aren't running sr.ht, too.

The protocol is email.

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