In the 90s, non-nerd highschoolers were able to run mIRC to discuss non-nerd topics. In fact, at my school they spent more time on IRC than the nerds did.
I have to admit that IRC isn't really mobile friendly, which may not help non-nerd users who tend to consider using the computer work and prefer to keep their socialization on a mobile device.
It can be fixed, but the tools to do so (e.g. quassel, iirc) are somewhat nerdy, I suspect
@clacke There's some projects that try to do just that, I'm personally using #thelounge (https://thelounge.chat) and I think it has a beautiful modern UI.
But still, having to look up servers on old looking websites and filling in the parameters to connect? Not user friendly. A modern client should probably have a list of preconfigured IRC servers and UI's for the most used commands etc.
IRC doesn't translate well to the mobile culture and there are no pictures/audio/video. If you're offline, you won't get the messages of other users. You have to be actually connected to the server all the time to read everything that happens in the channel rather than just the illusion of being connected all the time. Most users don't understand the difference between these concepts.
There is also a large barrier to entry these days. IRC is complicated compared to just using your google/facebook account to login to everything. The user has to remember servers, ports, possibly relays and a few commands that differ from client to client. i.e. "/query", "/buffer", "/window", "/msg"
But really, we didn't use IRC to communicate back in the day. We used it to download stuff. Most of the folks that I knew that went on IRC, did it for the DCC shares from other users. Napster killed that > DDL took over > piratebay > youtube stream rippers.
@cobra2 Some nerds used DCC, this nerd never bothered, there were NAT issues already by then.
mIRC avoided many of the UI issues of terminal-based clients, and users shared configuration files.
I agree with the analysis that mobile makes IRC difficult, and also that alternative thresholds to entry have lowered so that IRC's threshold looks higher in comparison.
IRC also doesn't allow the user to claim a handle if the handle is already claimed by another user. i.e. root@* it's claimed.
The user is also required to register for nickserv if the server has it to preserve their current handle of choice.
You also can't just get on any IRC server and talk to someone else on any IRC server. It's not like email. Getting a "friends list" on IRC is a painful process.... even for this nerd.
I used to use bitlbee when google and facebook still had working xmpp servers. I was just curious about your use of servers. What is the xmpp to irc gateway that you spoke of going down? Is it self-hostable?
@cobra2https://biboumi.louiz.org/ is really great when it is working. I don't know if it is hard to maintain or something. movim hosted one, now gone. @ζ» hosted one for a while, haven't checked lately if it's up, it had issues before.
I have a friend who is hosting it for himself and it seems to be pretty easyΒΉ to self-host for that usecase.
If you have more users I believe you have to take some care yourself that it's not used for spamming IRC and that you don't go above the IRC server limits, AFAIK, so it may be harder, but I don't have experience with that.
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Ben
in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •I'm still using irssi but some of my less nerdy friends use IRCCloud.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •It can be fixed, but the tools to do so (e.g. quassel, iirc) are somewhat nerdy, I suspect
clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • •Personally I haven't been to IRC for a long time because my favorite XMPP gateway went down.
clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ
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Unknown parent • •But still, having to look up servers on old looking websites and filling in the parameters to connect? Not user friendly. A modern client should probably have a list of preconfigured IRC servers and UI's for the most used commands etc.
cobra2
in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •You have to be actually connected to the server all the time to read everything that happens in the channel rather than just the illusion of being connected all the time. Most users don't understand the difference between these concepts.
There is also a large barrier to entry these days. IRC is complicated compared to just using your google/facebook account to login to everything. The user has to remember servers, ports, possibly relays and a few commands that differ from client to client. i.e. "/query", "/buffer", "/window", "/msg"
But really, we didn't use IRC to communicate back in the day. We used it to download stuff. Most of the folks that I knew that went on IRC, did it for the DCC shares from other users. Napster killed that > DDL took over > piratebay > youtube stream rippers.
clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ
in reply to cobra2 • •mIRC avoided many of the UI issues of terminal-based clients, and users shared configuration files.
I agree with the analysis that mobile makes IRC difficult, and also that alternative thresholds to entry have lowered so that IRC's threshold looks higher in comparison.
clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ
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in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •The user is also required to register for nickserv if the server has it to preserve their current handle of choice.
You also can't just get on any IRC server and talk to someone else on any IRC server. It's not like email. Getting a "friends list" on IRC is a painful process.... even for this nerd.
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in reply to cobra2 • •And ISPs should offer XMPP like they once did SMTP.
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •If you have more users I believe you have to take some care yourself that it's not used for spamming IRC and that you don't go above the IRC server limits, AFAIK, so it may be harder, but I don't have experience with that.
ΒΉ in the range of things one can self-host.
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Kermode
in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •I sometimes hang out on irc at sdf, but more normally on com.