> "A more modern bible" does seem a bit of a paradox

Heh, I see what you mean, but we have learned a lot about the times the Bible was written and the people who wrote it since the first translations to Latin and other languages. And the translations we made since those first translations accumulated a lot of cruft that didn't come from the original sources.

That's why the Swedish Bibel 2000 was written based on proper scholarly understanding of the material and a critical eye to where texts were coming from and what they really meant.

That combined with updated language that is better understandable to an audience of today is reasonable to call a "modern Bible".

@Morten J. Zölde-Fejér

I guess with "people most into the Bible" you don't mean nerds of ancient literature, culture and languages, but rather fundamentalist Christians with a literal interpretation of the Bible translation they grew up with.

Those people will of course be devastated to be told that maybe some lines text they have used to justify some part of their doctrine were based on a misunderstanding of the original message.

I was raised saying thus every Sunday:

"And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us."

from the New Matthew Version

...or "And forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who've sinned against us"

from the International Standard Version, depending on which of the usual churches I had attended growing up (United Church of Canada seemed to have a bit of latitude on what version of the bible was used lol)

NIV is the one most sold in the US and it has "And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors".

The Common English Bible is published by an alliance of denominations like Methodists, Episcopalians and US Presbyterians. The American Bible Society publishes the Good News Translation and the Common English Version, unclear who reads them and how widespread they are. These three talk about doing wrongs or wronging someone.

He is not referring to any of these.

biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matt…

@j12i

"After the request for bread, Matthew and Luke diverge slightly. Matthew continues with a request for debts to be forgiven in the same manner as people have forgiven those who have debts against them. Luke, on the other hand, makes a similar request about sins being forgiven in the manner of debts being forgiven between people. The word "debts" (ὀφειλήματα) does not necessarily mean financial obligations, as shown by the use of the verbal form of the same word (ὀφείλετε) in passages such as Romans 13:8. The Aramaic word ḥôbâ can mean "debt" or "sin". This difference between Luke's and Matthew's wording could be explained by the original form of the prayer having been in Aramaic. The generally accepted interpretation is thus that the request is for forgiveness of sin, not of supposed loans granted by God. Asking for forgiveness from God was a staple of Jewish prayers (e.g., Penitential Psalms). It was also considered proper for individuals to be forgiving of others, so the sentiment expressed in the prayer would have been a common one of the time."