isn't that entirely up to the artist, though?

An artist, in my view, has no obligation to make their art accessible to everyone. Not IRL, nor digital. If an artist feels it detracts from their vision of the art to make it accessible, isn't that tradeoff entirely theirs to make?

@paulligas they can.

@Curator

"the alt text and meaning of the art are mutually exclusive." You have the attention of my heart. So, what is a useful description that does not anchor the work in place, time, etc.? Do I need to work on prose and poetry to accompany the work?

One of my favorites is Hiroshi Sugimoto
sugimotohiroshi.com/photogenic…
An example is "Ligurian Sea, Saviore, 1993". How does one make effable something so ineffable? If there is useful alt text that doesn't undermine the work, you have me convinced.

it's a cop out for people who aren't creative enough to describe their own art and want to put that burden on to their audience.

You can describe the image without describing any implied meaning.

I feel like some of these folks never did any of the formal art class describe essay studies. While I only ever did an intro art class, one part was to describe a piece but in an objective manner. By how the teacher explain, it helps to mentally view the art in that way to break down pieces and see what underlying structures make up the piece.

Of course, I am slight bad on forgetting the alt text, but slowly going back to working on adding that.

@slevelt do you think an artist who makes art only partly accessible is an asshole?

What about an artist that puts her paintings up in, say, a gallery in Strasbourg. Making it inaccessible to 99% of the world, is she an asshole? Is an artist who places a statue in a private home an asshole? Is a singer who refuses to write down their music an asshole?

@pstewart @paulligas @jerry The crawler that SD uses respects it, yes (it's a generic crawler that's not specific to SD, it's just the one SD happens to use - called Common Crawl, see mastodon.gamedev.place/@Stealc… )

Stealcase

2022-12-17 21:09:42

@Curator Hey Curator?
Do you have control over the robots.txt file of your instance?

I've recently learned that ALL of the data that Stability Diffusion uses, comes from Common Crawl, which scrapes the entire internet once a month.

Since so many people here use Alt Text, it's a hotbed of well-described image-text pairs (Juicy data for the AI evangelists).

Is it possible for you to block it?

#NoAi #CreateDontScrape #HumanArt

What does this men/do?

" # Alt4Me or :helpdescribe"

have you seen Alt Text as Poetry? It makes the argument for creative alt text as art in its own right

alt-text-as-poetry.net/

Also, I don't think anyone expects artists to describe things pixel by pixel, but if you make abstract art, for instance, why not name colours, say something general about the work: where & when you made it, what mood drove you & how the resulting piece worked/works for you.
Talk about materials, size, what you think would be the best place to hang it.

There are so many things you can share, in so many ways.
Not doing so is to say, 'Fuck off, you're not welcome here.'

I have just started to post photos. I use alt-text function.mostly I just describe the photos.

I shall continue to try to better both!

I always use alt-text, and won't share anything that doesn't, but did see a partially-sighted person saying on here that they were tired of being told to add alt-text because it's a challenge for them.

So maybe we shouldn't be too quick to judge those who don't add it.

Wait. I'M supposed to know what the picture I made means before I post it?!

D'oh!! :o