βMy hot take on β15 minute citiesβ is if you can get to the coffee shop within fifteen minutes, but the barrista who makes your drink canβt afford to live closer than a half-hour away, then you live in a theme park.β - Gareth Klieber #
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thomas bohn
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in reply to thomas bohn • • •@thomas bohn @Dan Wentzel π³οΈβπ I think that was the point, but I don't have the context. Whatever the original intent, in this form I agree 100%:
You and the barista get to the coffee shop in 15 mins = 15 mins city
You get to coffee shop in 15 mins, barista commutes = theme park
Notavi
in reply to thomas bohn • • •We need a name for posts like this - both technically correct and yet completely missing the point.
Yes - they don't live in a 15 minute city. But most people aren't aware enough to notice that if *their* travel and commute is within 15 minutes, and politicians are cynical enough to exploit that.
Thus the need to remind people that 15 minute city needs to apply to more than just them.
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in reply to Notavi • • •Notavi
in reply to clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • • •I'd be inclined to call that a distinction without a difference.
The point was made and clearly understood. Quibbling about semantics is just pointless pedantry.
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ
in reply to Notavi • • •@Notavi @thomas bohn @Dan Wentzel π³οΈβπ It is clear for me from seeing this post all over the internet that the point was not clearly made, much less clearly understood.
Lots of people respond to it like "that's right, 15-minute cities are an elitist project that does nothing for normal people, just abandon it", which means it just fueled a misunderstanding. Wording matters.
Trillian β βοΈ π¬π§π
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in reply to clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ • •@clacke: seeking πΈπͺππ°ππ @Trillian β βοΈ π¬π§π @Dan Wentzel π³οΈβπ Indeed, I can get that universities may have to be a bit more remote (ideally with enough local housing for the students, however), but there is really no reason not to have schools up to something like 8-ish gradeΒΉ everywhere, and some variation of quality will happen, but having outright bad schools is quite an evil in itself that should be fixed.
ΒΉ the actual grade depends on how schools work in a specific country, but something around that.
(and I say this as somebody who doesn't exactly like living in a 15 minutes town)
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in reply to Dan Wentzel π³οΈβπ • • •the same goes on in Skiresort for ski-instructors
Gabor
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in reply to Baloo Uriza • • •[nod] Some people think you can just cycle your way out of this. Cycles are great, but no. You can't. :/
Baloo Uriza
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in reply to Baloo Uriza • • •@Baloo Uriza @Dan Wentzel π³οΈβπ @Pesach_Krab π¦ It's fair to call it a theme park or other derogatory label until it gets there.
If it's going the right direction, that's of course good to acknowledge too. But in particular, acknowledge that the right direction exists and is achievable and don't make the criticism sound like it's all hopeless and a scam and we should just keep making even worse plans.
Toran Shaw
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in reply to Toran Shaw • • •@Toran Shaw Are you referring to housing prices?
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Toran Shaw
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in reply to Toran Shaw • • •@Toran Shaw Oh, sorry then. I was trying to assume you were sincerely agreeing with the post. I try not to assume sarcasm even when it seems obvious.
The post is in favor of 15-minute city planning and warns against watered-down implementations that benefit only the privileged.
scott f
in reply to Dan Wentzel π³οΈβπ • • •clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ
in reply to scott f • • •@scott f Gareth Klieber is a random contributor to the fb group "New Urbanist Memes for Transport-Oriented Teens" ("NUMTOT"), and posted it there on April 5th, 2023.
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