Using LLMs is like driving a big-ass gas truck.

No one *should* do it, but it can be useful, and youโ€”as an individualโ€”shouldn't *really* feel that bad for doing it under limited circumstances.

But please remember, using it feeds some of the worst companies in history, and *they* (and especially their decision-makers) need to be held responsible for their destructive practices. Every dollar in their pockets helps promote more late-stage capitalism and fascism.

Lastly, If you *do* use it, don't drive like an asshole.

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Credentials: years spent working both for and against various AI companies.

*braces for backlash*

#AI #LLMs

#AI #LLMs
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I hate how all the legit uses of LLMs (like in academic linguistic research, semantic analysis, and studying language) have been overshadowed by the generative bullshit ;-;

researching LLMs in linguistics used to be so much fun back in 2017 ;-;

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yeah, that more or less fits, especially how there's lots of folks using them because that's what work bought for a transport fleet, and a lot of folks using them because they're large and obvious social signals, and some assholes who have decided that 'rolling coal' is the way to go; and plenty of people who are taking them into city streets that were never designed for that kind of vehicle....
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im at a company that is extremely whiplash about it. They jump scared us with "Use AI now and were watching or get the fuck outta the way" and then followed up saying oh wait legal says there might be serious issues you cant use it. I fought as hard as i could and I continue to advocate conscious thoughtful approaches. Not taking it seriously at face value, thinking of juniors who need to develop skills. So on and so on... it feels so shitty living in this world...

After all this time I finally got a subscription and do use one frequently. I wont let it touch anything I would have wanted to do myself essentially is my rule. My hobbies are for me to experience them. But hey I have this open source code I dont really wanna mess with but it doesn't work how I want. I dont care if I keep an entirely local repo with some random crappy tweaks to meet my needs. Im never gonna put it out in public or claim it as my own. Just making my life less miserable. Versus like my art skills

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

So down for this new arc where we can speak out about all the issues with ai companies without denying the potential benefits of llms.

Because for all the crap and all the abuse and all the bad shit, technology is a good thing that empowers us.

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@pharmafemboy got it right. "AI" sucks, but machine learning could have been so good for society if it weren't for predatory AI Bros.

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE STUPID TRUCKS. I live in Florida which, despite Miami Vice, is pretty redneck and we see those dumbass truck-nut-sporting raised bullshit gas-guzzling trucks all the time. My son likes to make fun of the clean ones saying "They've never driven that anywhere but city streets, and they don't work construction."

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I mean - technology can help. Like image recognition helping with tedious inspections of cast parts for possible casting faults with humans still making the final decisions. Astronomers also would be lost without machines analyzing petabytes of image data to help with later analysis of possible findings. But that's always *very* specific, limited, well-defined tasks.
Add autonomous driving, maybe. A machine keeping the cameras on the road and surroundings *all* the time can't be as bad and it's not insanely complex anyway. Seems entirely doable, at least. We do it as a subroutine while talking and having our brains focused on other stuff altogether.

All the hyped, generative shit merely copying the work of artists, raping them of the fruits of their labour, however? Answering machines, suggesting to be your competent friend while they're rigged for fascism, lying with utter confidence while actually being stupid af and having no actual understanding whatsoever?

Robots, devaluing labour, basically only ever enriching capitalists as their mechanical army of slaves, implied by the very name already? That also raises a lot of red flags.

Just sign me up for a #ButerianJihad any day and call me a #luddite, because luddites, after all, weren't against technology. They simply knew they would end up as slaves and they were right. They fucking knew it.

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an actual bus

Oh no for sure, but I do dream of a post-ai bubble world where we can reap the benefits of the concept without depending on the absolute pieces of shit that currently run that show.

By my count, there oughta be a way to make llms work in a distributed manner. Realistically, nothing insurmountable is stopping us from a setup where the compute is done in actual houses where and when the weather is cold and the heat is useful.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Is "using it to do work that otherwise wouldn't get done" an acceptable limited circumstance?

I feel like many corporate environments will go to great lengths to justify their use of AI, by quantifying perceived benefits in 'hard' metrics. They're all waiting for the bill shock to land.

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I believe the only valid use of LLM's are language translation, accessibility, and security auditing, all of which I suspect also happen to be very low power use cases ๐ŸŒž
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cyber-fascism is not cause by AI in the first place, but clearly and persistently by the cyberspace architecture and concept called internet. Internet is probably one of the worst cyberspace architecture and concept we could have in human history, and within the infinity of possible alternative cyberspaces architectures and concepts we could have.

It is the most fascist and capitalist and imperialist we could have.

AI as it exist is the direct consequence of this.

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@Netzblockierer Client / Server concept should not exist, it's the root of bad and extremely asymmetrical fascist cyber-power models. All the infrastructure should be co owned, all its data too. Cyber-power models of every public application shall be voted by citizens before being applied. ISP should not exist too.

My group of crypto-anarchist researchers works actively & exclusively on these topics with our alternative cyberspace architectures and concepts.

@alice

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in reply to Netzblockierer

@Netzblockierer @stman My belief is that since the beginning, the web has been largely running at a loss, and being funded based on future profits. It's been a land grab that's been unsustainable. We've now boiled down to a few megacorps, and their shareholders want profit. Their solution is to flog all our data.

I think the only solution, where providers actually respect users and their privacy, is for us to pay a small but fair fee. The days of the free (as in beer) internet are dead.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

The big-ass gas truck only exists because we destroyed 90% of the infrastructure to use anything other than a car and subsidised the ever-loving fuck out of everything from the nuts and bolts holding it together to the gasoline it burns through in mere minutes. We're in the bulldozing minority communities to build the Interstate phase. We don't have to "compromise" by all buying Priuses or Teslas yet.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I actually agree with you on this.

My company has a very "measured" approach to AI. We're a bank, so they're hesitant about what we're allowed to do with it. But people do use it in limited ways. And we're allowed to.

They gave us a couple trainings on it where they're very clear "it's good at this, bad at this, and always verify and massage the output; AI is often wrong. Don't trust it." And like...that's all a fair read.

I've used it to analyze and summarize free-form responses from 1000+ customers. It saved me a LOT of time and headache.

I have a hard time blaming an individual for using the tool in that way. But if we start coding everything in it, I'm gonna struggle.

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@CordiallyChloe โ€œItโ€™s often wrong, donโ€™t trust itโ€ I mean with an endorsement like that /of course/ we should all be rushing to shit out our own programming skills through a bin bag and nod thoughtfully while resting our chin in our hand and asking the AI bros what kind of massage theyโ€™d like for their data today but, you know, you do you
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@crowbriarhexe
It's ok to discuss the tool without getting mad at people who need to exist inside an economy and workforce that's having it forced on us.

If I don't use an LLM, I will likely eventually lose my job. I need that job to afford my house and healthcare.

I've used it less than 5 times in total. But knowing how is better than not knowing how when you work in the tech world, if you want to have a job.

You don't need to berate me for it.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

nuance? On my internet?!
*clutches pearls*
How very dare!

No but seriously there are indeed limited circumstances where they make sense and feeling guilt for using the right tool for the right job is wasteful. That emotional energy could be better directed in so many other ways.

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in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

this is quite possibly the most reasoned argument I've seen to not just burn the LLM movement to the ground. As someone who has acreage, and animals, and adjacent responsibilities, we have a sizeable (but useful) diesel pickup. It's not a daily driver, and does double-duty hauling around our camp trailer, but there's always a little guilt when filling the tank.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

LOL no backlash required.
We all have history.
For example when I heard of the first kid that died from game addiction. It made my day. I felt this was the first of many kids 'addicted' to their computers.
Now they are entranced and phone zombies, the wake up call is more 'complicated' :anarchoheart1: :mastozany: :cookiemon_smile:
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Did you really expect backlash for this โ€“* on the Fediverse?

I like the analogy, though. Then I want everyone driving sick gravel bikes**, which would be the equivalent to robust low power-efficient algorithms.
And we surely need some more racing bicycles too for those edge cases where rewriting a thing in Assembly is the only way to go :3
And more kitties, we always need more kitties :neocat_floof_cute:

*"Alt Gr + -" <- thanks to LLMs I got used to including this little guide on how I write em-dashes on a German keyboard layout under Linux, since people seem to assume I am a bot.
**As in bicycle

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I like your nuanced opinion, I don't agree with it on a personal level. Just like I don't think people should drive cars, public transport should be better, I don't think people should fly, I don't think people should eat meat

I do understand why people use these tools willingly, I just think that there a too many issues tied up with the use of these tools and things most won't realize until it's too late

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Complimentary video essay.

After which I revised a part of my bio to state that โ€œAIโ€ PFP havers won't be treated seriously, but ppl that have used โ€œAIโ€ to save their asses (e.g. an illegal eviction attempt) will be treated seriously.

youtube.com/watch?v=y85nqc2zm7โ€ฆ

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

I've had some struggles in the past about whether or not to participate in exploitative systems...

Ethics aside, some problems I've yet to overcome:

1. AI giving wrong answers. "But it's so close, just one more prompt will get it right..."

2. The purported mental risks of psychosis and losing critical thinking skills. I don't have many to spare.

In 2021 I was really excited to use AI to explain man pages to me and help me troubleshoot, etc. But these problems stopped me.

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That is sad :/
But I've read from multiple people now that some blame the people using it ... Don't like that, since it's just unfair. Most people use it because either they don't know better or are forced to by their employer. And it doesn't help to blame them, but just tell them why you don't think genAI is the way to go.

Hope you're doing well anyway :3
:neocat_heart:

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

you forgot โ€œ99.99% of the people doing it donโ€™t need to, are only doing it because of peer pressure, would be better served by literally any other tool, are setting enormous piles of current and future money on fire for a capability they have next to no need for, donโ€™t know how to use, and that in the infinitesimally unlikely event they run into a situation that actually requires it will fail them spectacularly, while (relatively) vastly under-resourced people operating (relatively) antiquated equipment but with skill, experience and care will, ironically, leave them far behind and accelerate away from something that barely registered as a pothole compared to the terrain theyโ€™ve spent a lifetime learning to navigateโ€
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Dave Mc

@Netzblockierer @stman I agree that it's going to be tough. We need to pick services with open protocols and portable data, so we don't get locked in. Federated systems where you pay a fee to a grass roots enthusiast. I think it's doable. But it's not going to be easy. Lots of tech that's tempted itself into our lives only works with big privacy issues. A sustainable web isn't going to be as shiny or cheap as what we're used to. But it'll be better for us and the planet.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

For the record, I like your summary of where we are with AI. As someone who is having it coming into my work life whether I like it or not. Interesting times and still not clear which direction this latest tech will lead us. Still, at least we are past everyone claiming mobile phones are frying our brains.
in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

1/2 By far the biggest problem with LLMs is how they were presented as "knowledge bases" rather than what they actually are: data churners. A "knowledge base" ought to have a way to determine the quality of the data from which produces answers. It should be able to distinguish fact from fiction, truth from falsehood. LLMs can't do anything like that. They churn all the data in their possession, good, bad or bat shit insane, and regurgitate it in response to a prompt. .
in reply to Pino Carafa

@rozeboosje I thought the biggest problem with LLMs was that they're built on stolen work, harvested by mega-corps who gleefully gutted DEI and backed a fascist dictator, with the end goal of replacing skilled workers and selling expertise back to wage-slaves at a premium, while diverting community water sources to quench their planet-burning data centers.

But like, they make mistakes too.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

@๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„) @Pino Carafa to be fair, I think that most of those issues can be mitigated by using smaller models that have been trained on ethically obtained data using renewable energy, while the mistakes are intrinsic in the technology and will always be there

but there is also a lot of openwashing in the industry, and I wouldn't trust any claim of the training data from the providers of the models unless they can be independently proved, and honestly my interest in using the thing isn't enough to justify the work of verifying those claims, so I don't actually *know* whether those models actually exist.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

What bugs me is equating using LLMs with using American Megacorps.
Like, download your model from China and run it locally. Most of the arguments against it evaporate. What is left is the spam/dead internet theory problem. That is more interesting discourse.

And also yes to deleting Amazon, Google and Microsoft from this Earth, but that doesn't start and doesn't end with the use of their LLM websites.

in reply to ๐Ÿ…ฐ๐Ÿ…ป๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ด (๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿฆ„)

Also, and very much IMO, if you do use AI, consider using a local model and local repo software such as forgejo. The quantised unsloth gguf Qwen3.6 versions work well locally on a workstation.

That way you're not putting money in the hands of evil tech bros, you're keeping your information private, and you're not locked into paying ever-escalating per-token costs.

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coming back to this post after the necroboost to remind everyone that individualism is not the answer to societal problems, and only social political solutions will get us out of this mess.

Legislation, collective organizing, unionization, lawsuits, and (after much organizing, and when done properly) coordinated boycotts are the answer.

I wrote a bit about this fact before: riverseeber.net/blog/post/indiโ€ฆ

And if you'd like somebody with a bit more authority in the field on the topic, @pluralistic wrote about it too: pluralistic.net/2025/07/31/unsโ€ฆ

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