Using LLMs is like driving a big-ass gas truck.
No one *should* do it, but it can be useful, and youโas an individualโshouldn't *really* feel that bad for doing it under limited circumstances.
But please remember, using it feeds some of the worst companies in history, and *they* (and especially their decision-makers) need to be held responsible for their destructive practices. Every dollar in their pockets helps promote more late-stage capitalism and fascism.
Lastly, If you *do* use it, don't drive like an asshole.
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Credentials: years spent working both for and against various AI companies.
*braces for backlash*
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Grace Vulpes Alopex (973748)
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I hate how all the legit uses of LLMs (like in academic linguistic research, semantic analysis, and studying language) have been overshadowed by the generative bullshit ;-;
researching LLMs in linguistics used to be so much fun back in 2017 ;-;
โค plasticpuppy โค
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Fi ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Eva
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •im at a company that is extremely whiplash about it. They jump scared us with "Use AI now and were watching or get the fuck outta the way" and then followed up saying oh wait legal says there might be serious issues you cant use it. I fought as hard as i could and I continue to advocate conscious thoughtful approaches. Not taking it seriously at face value, thinking of juniors who need to develop skills. So on and so on... it feels so shitty living in this world...
After all this time I finally got a subscription and do use one frequently. I wont let it touch anything I would have wanted to do myself essentially is my rule. My hobbies are for me to experience them. But hey I have this open source code I dont really wanna mess with but it doesn't work how I want. I dont care if I keep an entirely local repo with some random crappy tweaks to meet my needs. Im never gonna put it out in public or claim it as my own. Just making my life less miserable. Versus like my art skills
an actual bus
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •So down for this new arc where we can speak out about all the issues with ai companies without denying the potential benefits of llms.
Because for all the crap and all the abuse and all the bad shit, technology is a good thing that empowers us.
derek
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •@pharmafemboy got it right. "AI" sucks, but machine learning could have been so good for society if it weren't for predatory AI Bros.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE STUPID TRUCKS. I live in Florida which, despite Miami Vice, is pretty redneck and we see those dumbass truck-nut-sporting raised bullshit gas-guzzling trucks all the time. My son likes to make fun of the clean ones saying "They've never driven that anywhere but city streets, and they don't work construction."
Majestรคtsbeleidigung e.V.
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I mean - technology can help. Like image recognition helping with tedious inspections of cast parts for possible casting faults with humans still making the final decisions. Astronomers also would be lost without machines analyzing petabytes of image data to help with later analysis of possible findings. But that's always *very* specific, limited, well-defined tasks.
Add autonomous driving, maybe. A machine keeping the cameras on the road and surroundings *all* the time can't be as bad and it's not insanely complex anyway. Seems entirely doable, at least. We do it as a subroutine while talking and having our brains focused on other stuff altogether.
All the hyped, generative shit merely copying the work of artists, raping them of the fruits of their labour, however? Answering machines, suggesting to be your competent friend while they're rigged for fascism, lying with utter confidence while actually being stupid af and having no actual understanding whatsoever?
Robots, devaluing labour, basically only ever enriching capitalists as their mechanical army of slaves, implied by the very name already? That also raises a lot of red flags.
Just sign me up for a #ButerianJihad any day and call me a #luddite, because luddites, after all, weren't against technology. They simply knew they would end up as slaves and they were right. They fucking knew it.
Philip (is looking for work)
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an actual bus
Unknown parent • • •Oh no for sure, but I do dream of a post-ai bubble world where we can reap the benefits of the concept without depending on the absolute pieces of shit that currently run that show.
By my count, there oughta be a way to make llms work in a distributed manner. Realistically, nothing insurmountable is stopping us from a setup where the compute is done in actual houses where and when the weather is cold and the heat is useful.
Jorge Candeias
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Unknown parent • • •Newherehow
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •rainynight65
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Is "using it to do work that otherwise wouldn't get done" an acceptable limited circumstance?
I feel like many corporate environments will go to great lengths to justify their use of AI, by quantifying perceived benefits in 'hard' metrics. They're all waiting for the bill shock to land.
Eye
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •diana ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ฆ๐ฑ
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •โ STMAN โ ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •cyber-fascism is not cause by AI in the first place, but clearly and persistently by the cyberspace architecture and concept called internet. Internet is probably one of the worst cyberspace architecture and concept we could have in human history, and within the infinity of possible alternative cyberspaces architectures and concepts we could have.
It is the most fascist and capitalist and imperialist we could have.
AI as it exist is the direct consequence of this.
Netzblockierer
in reply to โ STMAN โ ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ • • •โ STMAN โ ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
in reply to Netzblockierer • • •@Netzblockierer Client / Server concept should not exist, it's the root of bad and extremely asymmetrical fascist cyber-power models. All the infrastructure should be co owned, all its data too. Cyber-power models of every public application shall be voted by citizens before being applied. ISP should not exist too.
My group of crypto-anarchist researchers works actively & exclusively on these topics with our alternative cyberspace architectures and concepts.
@alice
Dave Mc
in reply to Netzblockierer • • •@Netzblockierer @stman My belief is that since the beginning, the web has been largely running at a loss, and being funded based on future profits. It's been a land grab that's been unsustainable. We've now boiled down to a few megacorps, and their shareholders want profit. Their solution is to flog all our data.
I think the only solution, where providers actually respect users and their privacy, is for us to pay a small but fair fee. The days of the free (as in beer) internet are dead.
disorderlyf
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •muddle ๐ฅฃ
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Sorry, did you mean "big ass-truck?"
xkcd.com/37/
(not a backlash, more like a touchรฉ-stone)
Hyphen
xkcdJoris Meys
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •*cunterbalances the backlash with a show of support*
rainynight65
Unknown parent • • •ChloChloetry
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I actually agree with you on this.
My company has a very "measured" approach to AI. We're a bank, so they're hesitant about what we're allowed to do with it. But people do use it in limited ways. And we're allowed to.
They gave us a couple trainings on it where they're very clear "it's good at this, bad at this, and always verify and massage the output; AI is often wrong. Don't trust it." And like...that's all a fair read.
I've used it to analyze and summarize free-form responses from 1000+ customers. It saved me a LOT of time and headache.
I have a hard time blaming an individual for using the tool in that way. But if we start coding everything in it, I'm gonna struggle.
The Witch of Crow Briar
in reply to ChloChloetry • • •ChloChloetry
in reply to The Witch of Crow Briar • • •@crowbriarhexe
It's ok to discuss the tool without getting mad at people who need to exist inside an economy and workforce that's having it forced on us.
If I don't use an LLM, I will likely eventually lose my job. I need that job to afford my house and healthcare.
I've used it less than 5 times in total. But knowing how is better than not knowing how when you work in the tech world, if you want to have a job.
You don't need to berate me for it.
The Witch of Crow Briar
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in reply to The Witch of Crow Briar • • •Jank Hambrams (Art)
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •nuance? On my internet?!
*clutches pearls*
How very dare!
No but seriously there are indeed limited circumstances where they make sense and feeling guilt for using the right tool for the right job is wasteful. That emotional energy could be better directed in so many other ways.
xyhhx
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Damn nuance, nah **** you!
jk I actually agree with this.
I think ppl have gotten a little out of hand with the anti AI stuff where even touching it is treated like a moral failure. I am being forced to use it for work I don't have a choice. I can't find another income right now and I'm not gana quit and blow my savings for some anti AI crusade.
I agree with most of the grounded anti AI stances about environmental impacts, job displacement, theft of art, propaganda, ect. But most the people actually pushing these ideas are insufferable and at times come off actually ungrounded from reality.
Like the people who still maintain that AI can do nothing valuable to me feels just delusional. If you use Claude for programming regularly like I am forced to use for work, you know it's insanely capable. It's doing valuable things.
It's the infantilized leftism that lenin critiqued that prioritizes moral purity and it very well might be counterintelligence to push people towards accepting ai
Grease the Subtle
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •lobster
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •We all have history.
For example when I heard of the first kid that died from game addiction. It made my day. I felt this was the first of many kids 'addicted' to their computers.
Now they are entranced and phone zombies, the wake up call is more 'complicated'
Wolkensteine ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Did you really expect backlash for this โ* on the Fediverse?
I like the analogy, though. Then I want everyone driving sick gravel bikes**, which would be the equivalent to robust low power-efficient algorithms.
And we surely need some more racing bicycles too for those edge cases where rewriting a thing in Assembly is the only way to go :3
And more kitties, we always need more kitties
*"Alt Gr + -" <- thanks to LLMs I got used to including this little guide on how I write em-dashes on a German keyboard layout under Linux, since people seem to assume I am a bot.
**As in bicycle
webhat
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I like your nuanced opinion, I don't agree with it on a personal level. Just like I don't think people should drive cars, public transport should be better, I don't think people should fly, I don't think people should eat meat
I do understand why people use these tools willingly, I just think that there a too many issues tied up with the use of these tools and things most won't realize until it's too late
jonathankorenโข
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Dลบwiedziu
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Complimentary video essay.
After which I revised a part of my bio to state that โAIโ PFP havers won't be treated seriously, but ppl that have used โAIโ to save their asses (e.g. an illegal eviction attempt) will be treated seriously.
youtube.com/watch?v=y85nqc2zm7โฆ
watch
www.youtube.comSemitones
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •I've had some struggles in the past about whether or not to participate in exploitative systems...
Ethics aside, some problems I've yet to overcome:
1. AI giving wrong answers. "But it's so close, just one more prompt will get it right..."
2. The purported mental risks of psychosis and losing critical thinking skills. I don't have many to spare.
In 2021 I was really excited to use AI to explain man pages to me and help me troubleshoot, etc. But these problems stopped me.
Wolkensteine ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
Unknown parent • • •That is sad :/
But I've read from multiple people now that some blame the people using it ... Don't like that, since it's just unfair. Most people use it because either they don't know better or are forced to by their employer. And it doesn't help to blame them, but just tell them why you don't think genAI is the way to go.
Hope you're doing well anyway :3

The Witch of Crow Briar
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Unknown parent • • •Dr Footleg (he/him)
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in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Pino Carafa
in reply to Pino Carafa • • •๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ)
in reply to Pino Carafa • • •@rozeboosje I thought the biggest problem with LLMs was that they're built on stolen work, harvested by mega-corps who gleefully gutted DEI and backed a fascist dictator, with the end goal of replacing skilled workers and selling expertise back to wage-slaves at a premium, while diverting community water sources to quench their planet-burning data centers.
But like, they make mistakes too.
Pino Carafa
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • •@๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) @Pino Carafa to be fair, I think that most of those issues can be mitigated by using smaller models that have been trained on ethically obtained data using renewable energy, while the mistakes are intrinsic in the technology and will always be there
but there is also a lot of openwashing in the industry, and I wouldn't trust any claim of the training data from the providers of the models unless they can be independently proved, and honestly my interest in using the thing isn't enough to justify the work of verifying those claims, so I don't actually *know* whether those models actually exist.
Pino Carafa likes this.
Pino Carafa
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •Karl Heinz Hรคsliprinz
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •What bugs me is equating using LLMs with using American Megacorps.
Like, download your model from China and run it locally. Most of the arguments against it evaporate. What is left is the spam/dead internet theory problem. That is more interesting discourse.
And also yes to deleting Amazon, Google and Microsoft from this Earth, but that doesn't start and doesn't end with the use of their LLM websites.
David Penfold
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Also, and very much IMO, if you do use AI, consider using a local model and local repo software such as forgejo. The quantised unsloth gguf Qwen3.6 versions work well locally on a workstation.
That way you're not putting money in the hands of evil tech bros, you're keeping your information private, and you're not locked into paying ever-escalating per-token costs.
V
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •Sensitive content
"as an individualโshouldn't *really* feel that bad for doing it under limited circumstances."
Feels like it's doing a *lot* of heavy lifting here? Like, for the trucks, I'd agree in the very limited case of 'you are doing an important thing, like hauling food from place it's grown to people who need it to live, and there is no better alternative available.' and similar...
But that's... a *very* narrow case of it being marginally justified over the alternative.
Amgine
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in reply to Amgine • • •@Amgine sure!
...for what?
Amgine
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •River
in reply to ๐ ฐ๐ ป๐ ธ๐ ฒ๐ ด (๐๐ฆ) • • •coming back to this post after the necroboost to remind everyone that individualism is not the answer to societal problems, and only social political solutions will get us out of this mess.
Legislation, collective organizing, unionization, lawsuits, and (after much organizing, and when done properly) coordinated boycotts are the answer.
I wrote a bit about this fact before: riverseeber.net/blog/post/indiโฆ
And if you'd like somebody with a bit more authority in the field on the topic, @pluralistic wrote about it too: pluralistic.net/2025/07/31/unsโฆ
Individualism Won't Solve Our Problems: Let's fight Big Tech, together
riverseeber.netjohne
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in reply to johne • • •