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rina

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rina
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i have a question.

there are those little zines one can make out of folding a piece of paper (with a little cut). it is like a 8 page booklet
(wikihow.com/Make-a-Zine the first part about making)

now... watercolour paper is rather inapt for the folding and cutting parts. especially with 300gsm...

here the question: does anyone know how to "bind" watercolour paper to get a similar result to a zine?

#zine #bookbinding #question

How to Make a Zine (with Pictures) - wikiHow

Zines (pronounced "zeens," shortened from the word "magazines") are small, independent publications that come in the form of mini pamphlets or magazines. Zines are easy and inexpensive to make, meaning that they have long been a...

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rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

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For thick paper you need a "creasing machine", which makes a sort of U-shaped "channel" where the paper can fold without hassles.

It can be done by hand with a very straight thick cable and a hammer, but you need the patience (and the availability of time!) of a medieval monk.

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@Rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua @rina for small amount scoring it with a blunt needle (using a ruler) also works, even if it's not as precise.

But it also weakens the paper a bit right in the place where the sewing will be, so I tend not to do it unless I really need it.

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rina

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ok something like youtube.com/watch?v=9XCvTZRVbg…

but instead of heaps of multiple it could only be 1 folded 300gsm sheet?

could that be a way?

The Book of Unsaid Things (Bookbinding part 1) - Sewing the Text Block

This is the first part of a bookbinding series. In this video, I demonstrate how I make my text block using kettle stitch binding.Materials I use:- 70 gsm bo...

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina @Rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua yes, this is exactly what I was thinking.

(I was thinking to start sewing from the inside, to hide the knot a bit more, but starting from the bottom like in that video and leaving a tiny sort-of-tassel on the outside also looks like a nice finish)

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Phil Hassett

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if you’re not against using some adhesive, you could also look into the drum-leaf binding, which was designed for stiff heavy paper with a single fold at the spine, and opens flat.

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rina

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@washboardpress watching a video about that right now... i see myself covered in glue and paper and misery. maybe no 😅

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Phil Hassett

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fair enough! I tend to stick with seen bindings for that reason as well!

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rina

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@GustavinoBevilacqua ok, i looked a some youtube videos. but that just makes a u-shape fold into the paper. the rest would be hand stiching?

like folded paper on folded paper stitching?

is there a technique to not fold, only stitch the edges of paper?

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Phil Hassett

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I think maybe what you are looking for is known in the bookbinding world as a “single-sheet binding”. There are a bunch of different types, depending on how you want the finished book to act. Many of them work better for thinner, more flexible paper. For a heavy, thick paper, you might look into a single-sheet Coptic binding, or one of the methods for sewing single sheets onto supporting cords or tapes.

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rina

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@washboardpress :O that looks good
youtu.be/04vt8YfT7XM

opens flat 🤩

DIY Single Sheet Bookbinding Tutorial | Sea Lemon

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@GustavinoBevilacqua Ah! You might want to use coptic stitch for single sheets. youtube.com/watch?v=04vt8YfT7X…

DIY Single Sheet Bookbinding Tutorial | Sea Lemon

❋ CORRECTION: Measurement at 1:50 should be "13 mm" not "cm". Sorry!Audible - http://audible.com/sealemonSUBSCRIBEMain Channel: http://bit.ly/SLDIYVlog Chann...

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rina

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@headgeekette that seems to be the best so far :D

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Charo 🇵🇭

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I've done this for a friend who wanted mounted photos as a book. Because you'll be handling the paper a lot during this process, it helps if you wear gloves to avoid transferring body oils to the paper.

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rina

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@headgeekette *takes notes* thanks

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Charo 🇵🇭

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Good luck! I hope to see the result of your project if you ever decide to do this. 😊

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rina

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@headgeekette i will at least try it once. :D

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Phil Hassett

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@GustavinoBevilacqua the tool most bookbinders I know use for scoring is called a bone folder, and is historically shaped from a piece of bone, although nowadays they are often made of Teflon. Works great when used with a straightedge or ruler. You make the score on the “peak” side of the fold you want to make, because it stretches the fibers in the paper so the can wrap around the fold. Grain direction in the paper matters too; you want the grain running the same direction as the spine.

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

in reply to rina • 1 anno fa •

@rina I think I would:

* cut the sheet in 4 pieces
* put them on top of each other
* carefully fold them in half

(this is basically the procedure for making a signature in a regular book)

then if you have a long arm stapler you can staple all sheets through the fold in 2 places, otherwise you can make an even number of holes on the fold with an awl (or a sewing needle and some care) and sew the pages with a backstitch (the kind used together with crossstitch).

I think it's better if I make some kind of drawing for this last part :D

At the end you may want to carefully trim the front edge so that all sheets are even, rather than having the center ones peak out.

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rina

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa • •

@valhalla that is like a little booklet? like the ones one can find as program during christmas-time concerts?

the outer paper would have a big big fold... i imagine.

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina yes (I think so, I've never been to a christmas time concert :) ).

It would also have 16 pages rather than 8, but depending on what you're going to do you may not want to paint on both sides of the sheet anyway. Maybe glueing together the sheet would work.

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rina

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa • •

@valhalla oh heavy watercolour paper can be used on both sides :D
the surface structure is a bit different but normally i dont see ink or watercolour stains on the other side :>
i think... i need so search for materials and than go shopping... great another new activity.

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina if you're buying specifically for it, bookbinding thread is nice to use (it's a thick, waxed linen thread).

Or thick linen thread for handsewing, plus a block of wax.

If you can't find either, I'd use buttonhole twist or another strong thread rather than regular sewing thread, but even the latter can be used if the resulting booklet isn't mishandled too much.

As for needles, I use regular handsewing needles, in the biggest sizes I could find (what John James calls Sharps in size 2 or 3). There are also bookbinding needles with a rounded point that you may find nicer to use, but I believe it's a matter of taste and what one is used to.

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rina

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa • •

@valhalla so far i have: bookbinding thread, a needle, an awl.
(i have a hammer and something to lay under it)

thanks a bunch :D

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina I may have just been crafter-sniped¹ :D

I can confirm that with 300 g/m² paper scoring it in the middle helps (when I made a sketchbook I used thinner 250 g/m² paper and it was easier to fold).

Also, I'd add a step of putting the folded paper under a weight for an hour or so before sewing it (or at least before trimming it).

¹ as in: xkcd.com/356/

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rina

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa • •

@valhalla that's dark... :D

i have wooden boards and computer science/mathematic books here. that could weight it down.

scouring: youtu.be/ayktKwkkITY
i should have all the stuff to do that.

but now i am thinking... i should look for a paper cutter...
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Craft Hacks: Scoring Paper with no Fancy Tools!

In this video I take a look at some Scoring Craft Hacks that are great for when you are traveling and if you don't have a Score Board! These are super simple...

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina I usually cut paper with a plain snap-off blade knife (or rarely with an X-acto), like the ones on bookbindingworkshopsg.com/book… (it's the first result I got when looking for how these things are called in English, I mostly watched the pictures :) )

As a #multicraftual person the fact that it is multipurpose is a definite plus :D

#multicraftual @rina

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rina

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa • •

@valhalla i am kinda weak. i struggled last weekend to make smaller paper from the big block of 300gsm... and the "cuts" sometimes are more rifts.

maybe there is like an art lab where one can use such a machine... to the search interface!

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina I often use my physics books as a press, since they are thick, heavy, with a hardcover, and I really, really hated those two exams :D Other math books may go on top if I need more weight :D

(for smaller things I use a bag of big metal washers that are also my pattern weights for fabric :) )

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina yes, a bit dark indeed :D

but most of the people I hang out with tend to use the word in contexts where there isn't a big truck, just some time spent unexpectedly :D

anyway, I'm not making a video, but I'm taking pictures :)

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa •

@rina and it's done

craft-patterns.trueelena.org/b…

(by done I mean that it will still spend the night under the weight, but I don't have anything else to do on it and I've published the instructions with pictures :) )

(and of course, then I need to either decide to use it for something, or put it on the empty sketchbook pile O:-) )

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rina

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@valhalla

wow... i am a bit jealous now... tiny bit

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Aitch - Þei/Þem

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I would use Japanese stab binding for them personally (and now you’ve got me thinking about doing that myself 🤔)

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rina

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@AmaBagins ok... i am watching a video right now. the end result is not very flat when opened, correct?

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Aitch - Þei/Þem

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Oh, that depends on the type you use! There’s many different Japanese binding styles to use, have a bit of an explore :) Have you considered using prints of the paintings instead of the paintings themselves, though?

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rina

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@AmaBagins scanned versions of watercolours are so different (ink too actually) so i'd like to use the actual work.

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rina

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many thanks to all the replies.

by chance i stumbled upon this: youtube.com/watch?v=MpB1egXKae…

french link stitch... opens flat. i could put one folded paper to the next...

i think i will try that one... when needed materials are here

French Link Stitch Bookbinding Tutorial

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Elena ``of Valhalla''

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@rina and once you have the supplies for this zine, you also have almost all of the supplies needed to make your own sketchbooks :D

not that I'm trying to tempt you into another craft.

(I am :D )

(coptic stitch is another option that opens completely flat)

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rina

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • 1 anno fa • •

@valhalla yes, someone else suggested coptic stitch already. that is even possible with single sheets of paper :>

:>>>

and no worries you dont really tempt me. let's be honest. i was interested somewhat in it before. same for sewing. just give me time and more money and the living room is a workspace.

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rina

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here a tutorial for heavier paper
social.gl-como.it/display/3e3c…

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2023-08-06 18:15:56

@rina and it's done
craft-patterns.trueelena.org/b…
(by done I mean that it will still spend the night under the weight, but I don't have anything else to do on it and I've published the instructions with pictures :) )
(and of course, then I need to either decide to use it for something, or put it on the empty sketchbook pile O:-) )

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Anna

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@evilrooster do you know?

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Virginie

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it’s gonna be challenging because of the direction of the fibers. One could try wetting the paper with a brush to soften the areas they want to bend/fold (not sure if the result and it depends of the paper). Eventually I would recommend embracing the joy of bookbinding to avoid the frustration of a paper that will keep warping (and that might warp in different directions when being folded)

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