Why is it that Western people who write haiku are obsessed with the 5-7-5 rule, but don't seem to care about the kigo (season word) or kireji (cutting word) rules?
I can’t answer for all Western people, but I never learned about either the season or cutting word. I was taught “haiku” in grade school, and I’m pretty sure my teacher just wanted to make sure I understood what syllables were and didn’t really care about the origin of the form
*TIL there’s more to it than just the 5-7-5 rule.*
Also isn’t there something about syllables too? It’s not purely just word count? Or am I crazy. (Also what do the rules say about contractions? I don’t think I’ve seen consensus on that, unless this plays into syllable thing).
@eribosot AFAIK in the western tradition poetry is classified by its syllabic structure at least since ancient Greece (even when talking about different languages where how the syllabic structure is formed is pretty different, such as the stress pattern of English poetry and the syllabic weights of Latin and ancient Greek)
I guess that may be related to the syllabic structure being considered the most important part
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Violinknitter
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in reply to eribosot • • •The Western people who write
Are obsessed with the five seven five
What about kigo and kireji?
(jetpacks away)
Colin
in reply to eribosot • • •*TIL there’s more to it than just the 5-7-5 rule.*
Also isn’t there something about syllables too? It’s not purely just word count? Or am I crazy.
(Also what do the rules say about contractions? I don’t think I’ve seen consensus on that, unless this plays into syllable thing).
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to eribosot • •@eribosot AFAIK in the western tradition poetry is classified by its syllabic structure at least since ancient Greece (even when talking about different languages where how the syllabic structure is formed is pretty different, such as the stress pattern of English poetry and the syllabic weights of Latin and ancient Greek)
I guess that may be related to the syllabic structure being considered the most important part