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Does anyone have experience bringing a regular bicycle (or XXL luggage) on board Italo trains in Italy? Trying to figure out if removing 1 or 2 wheels and packing it would be accepted.

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From what I've found: blog.italotreno.it/mondo-treno…
- The "Smart" (second) class has a limit of 75x53x30 cm, which is too small (even removing everything a regular frame is 90cm long).
- The only allowed bicycles are "folding bicycles".
- However, the "Prima" (first) class supposedly allows "XXL" luggage, and any number of luggage that one can carry. So does a regular bicycle packed in a bag (with 1 or 2 wheels removed) count?
- Is there any check-in to enter the train with luggage check (ala OuiGo)?
- From the transport contract, in the worst case one has to pay a fine of 10€ and leave the luggage at the next station: italotreno.com/~/media/Images/…

Somehow there could be good discounts on Prima tickets at the time I'm planning, but I've never travelled with Italo before so I'm curious how is the experience in practice.

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in reply to Guillaume Endignoux

@Guillaume Endignoux @Jon Worth I don't have direct experience, I've found elsewhere on the Italo website that regular bicycles are explicitly forbidden (I don't know whether in practice they would check a big luggage for a hidden (disassembled) bicycle).

blog.italotreno.it/idee-di-via…
italotreno.com/it/contatti-sup…

trenitalia on le frecce instead allows regular bicycles, disassembled and carried in a bag, with a maximum size of 80 cm x 110 cm x 45 cm

trenitalia.com/it/servizi/a-bo…

in reply to Guillaume Endignoux

I've never seen anyone bringing a regular bicicle on board of an Italo train.
I can tell you that there is no check-in, and no luggage check... but you might have a hard time for finding a spot for your big luggage (in second class it is often difficult even for a regular luggage) and the train manager will be soon there helping you, and your bag will be surely seen and "checked" in that way.

@jon

in reply to Domenico De Treias

@De_Treias I’ve only taken Italo’s older AGV trains and can confirm this. Is it any better in the more modern (but slower) Pendolino ones?
in reply to Jon Worth

@De_Treias @groessenordnung @valhalla Thanks for the help!

For comparison, I've taken packed bicycles on a few Trenitalia frecce, which didn't have much luggage space (even less than - god forbid - SNCF's TGVs) as it's basically only overhead. Which is fine when it's at least 55-60cm deep and slightly slanted, but also a bit stressful that a bicycle might fall.

The experience also varied by train model:
- ETR 500: overhead space was deep enough, and there is a triangle of seats with more space at the end of each carriage 👍
- ETR 700: didn't try overhead as the train was half empty and they were many free seats. Corridor was ok-ish.
- ETR 1000: that train was full so no space left overhead. Corridor between pairs of doors at the connection between carriages was the least bad I found (not sure about safety regulations). I was planning to take an ETR 500, but got rebooked due to delay & missed connection.

in reply to Guillaume Endignoux

@De_Treias @groessenordnung @valhalla A key difference with SNCF: train managers from Trenitalia didn't seem to care where the luggage is (maybe luck?), so I'm curious what's the Italo style.

@seatsixtyone has a few pics of Italo interior, which don't look very promising: seat61.com/trains-and-routes/i…
However the seat map shows a space with one seat removed at the end of each Prima carriage: seat61.com/reference/trainseat…

in reply to Guillaume Endignoux

@De_Treias @groessenordnung @valhalla I've ended up trying Italo anyway, packing the bicycles. Space was indeed cramped with sometimes luggage overflowing in the corridors, but a bit more space in prima class: mastodon.social/@cycling_on_ra…

Could be worse (not as cramped as a Freccia Bianca), but still far from the ambition of EU regulation 2021/782 art. 6 (eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conten…). The "bar" has a bit more space and nobody was hanging out there (just vending machines). In practice staff & other passengers didn't seem to mind given that the corridor wasn't blocked.

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