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A chill wind blows and it's cold. What is your first course of action? A poll!

  • Turn up the thermostat/radiator (8%, 13 votes)
  • Put on more clothes (46%, 74 votes)
  • Get a blanket (27%, 44 votes)
  • Hibernate (8%, 13 votes)
  • Suffer (9%, 15 votes)
159 voters. Poll end: 2 mesi fa

in reply to Sini Tuulia

Thinking about all those times when it's cold and I mentioned it online in a chat type situation and people would constantly tell me to turn up the heat, like I was some sort of alien that didn't know how indoor heating worked nor that it's an expenditure of resources to heat more.
Put on more clothes or suffer, is what we do here!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

I know, right? Also - is your head covered, because you lose so much heat out of your head! Put a hat or something on, you instantly feel warmer. I often wander around with a doofusy looking mismatched outfit on at home in winter because I’ve grabbed the first available head covering when I’ve felt cold. Don’t care. Warm.
in reply to Wonderdog

@caity I tend to have little to no hair so I wear a scarf at home and a hat or a wig or both when outside! We have had it impressed upon us as children that you need to wear a hat outside (woollen cap, toque, beanie etc.) because you'll be cold and freeze your ears otherwise, but hats do work indoors as well!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

My Dad always told me you lose most of your heat through your head. We are a family of hat wearers! I am always amazed at how many people don't wear hats. And in summer here infants and primary schools have a "no hat no play" rule. I don't even hang washing on the line without a hat. Hats all year!
I also have far too many scarves and wraps. (Or maybe not enough...🤣)
in reply to Wonderdog

@caity
We are hat people here in New England US. First thing I learned to knit. Everyone has a wool sleeping hat and several day hats for winter.
in reply to IcooIey

@IcooIey @caity Sleeping hat! I know we used to have those, but I don't think I know anyone who uses one now (locally), it's all just positioning the bed so there's no draft when you sleep. Indoor hats would be helpful even now for sure.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@IcooIey I love sleeping hats! I use them, so does Dad. Nana used to keep a silk scarf that she wrapped her hair in and then put a sleeping hat on over that, because she had her hair "done" once a week.
in reply to Wonderdog

@caity @IcooIey When I still did pin curls every day, sometimes I'd do the pinning the day previous and sleep with a silky feeling scarf at night to keep them on. That part is familiar, at least!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

Close the window, but yeah, clothes and/or a blanket, depending on what I'm doing.
in reply to Marta 🌿🍃

@Triffen Our windows, even when closed, let in fresh air from the outside because of how the passive ventilation works. 😄 But yeah.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

For my particular situation, I would have to say 'Other' (hot water bottle).

I can get so cold I *need* an external heat source - but it can be a very small that just heats me & not the room. 😊

in reply to Now -> Her_Doing@sunny.garden

@Her_Doing Hot water bottle is very very good when you're already cold and trying to persuade your body to be warm-blooded again. Sometimes my body forgets how to be warm, and I'll need to tuck a hot water bottle against my large veins under my clothes even when it's not that cold indoors or outdoors!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

We discuss the internal weather in our house in ‘layers of clothing required’ Today’s not too bad it is -4C outside and quite warm in the kitchen ?19, it’s 15C in the hallway. I am wearing 2 layers of cotton tops and 2 woollen tops, a jumper and a thick cardigan. I also have sheepskin slippers and woollen leg warmers and a bamboo neck tube. To go outside I would just add a coat.
in reply to Janet

@Janet_52square My flat has pretty even temperature (currently 20C, was 19C when I woke up and opened curtains and turned the computer on) except for the bathroom that chooses to be sweltering no matter what I do with any knob or dial! But yeah, I've got a little camisole on, a thick linen shirt, a little shawl... And then ankle length flannel drawers, a petticoat and a long skirt and socks. 😄 I feel like the flannel drawers are doing A LOT of the warming!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@Janet_52square The only issue I have with shirt plus cardigan is that I want to roll up my sleeves when I'm doing pretty much anything or washing my hands, so it gets really annoying after a while! A shawl stays put on my shoulders only, when pinned on with a brooch.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

I slop about a lot my cardie is several sizes too wide but the sleeves are the right length (a home knit). It’s the way I go. But completely understand the desire for non-sloppy dressing. We have an old stone built house with little insulation so even temperature inside isn’t possible unless the outside weather obliges. However, it is wonderfully cool in hot weather. Our challenge is to find a way to keep warm without firewood. The central heating is a pellet boiler and we have 2 wood stoves. This was the green advice when we did the work (and replaced LPG gas) but now it’s just not sustainable long term.
in reply to Janet

@Janet_52square I've heard that people in old houses have good results with heat pumps, but they're pretty expensive when first bought and installed and kind of ugly?
Just out of curiosity, is there a culture of the really big brick ovens, there? That's how we mostly used to heat here, and they're present in old houses a lot.
I'm going to scrounge up a couple of photos and post them in a separate reply to this, a moment...
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@Janet_52square Here's a couple Finnish ones. The tower type is covered in tiles but is brick within. These are usually in bedrooms. The two big honking ones are for the kitchen, and will often go almost all the way to the ceiling. They're massive and will stay warm for days with one heating (or baking of bread, often) and if they're built into the wall, the back of it and the chimney will also warm the entire cottage/house up. The hole for the fire is actually very small. Ours on the old family farm looks like an immense sugar cube with a little door on it. 😄 Cats love sleeping on top of it, traditionally you'd also hoist small children up there, to dry up with all the sodden wool and such!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

you can tell a fairytale is Northern/Eastern European when people lie down on top of the stove! I never understood that as a child because our wood stove was a small upright one that would immediately burn you if you touched it 😅
in reply to Anna

@venite That's true! Sometimes a kind person is also indicated by them letting strangers or unfamiliar children warm up on top of their brick oven. 😄 I'd seen the little wood stoves in films and such long before I'd seen one in person, too.
@Anna
in reply to Sini Tuulia

My answer is a combination of clothing and blanket, aka a thick fleece robe (I always have one on my chair to curl up in).
Next step is wool socks. Then if I'm still cold I'm cursing the wind and getting into bed. :YellsAtCloud:
in reply to Gulleko

@Gulleko It's been pretty cold this winter so I've done the latter multiple times. 😆 It's too cold to do anything, I'm tired, it's almost bedtime already. Why not read or watch videos in bed for several hours?
For extreme cosiness I'll sometimes have a mug of warm juice in bed, too.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

if I'm inside and a chill wind blows the first thing I will do is close the windows and doors. Is this an indoors or outdoors poll?
in reply to JoeP

@JoeP I see I have once again written very ambiguously. 😄 Indoors! The windows are closed, it's just cold outside!
@JoeP
in reply to Sini Tuulia

I add hoodies if I'm going to be moving around, but if I'm settled on the sofa, I have a wool scarf I put over my legs, which really helps.
in reply to Sue Archer

@suearcher I have autonomic wool scarves, aka cats, that will readily wander onto me as soon as I sit down!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

I can see the advantage of this in winter - do they do it when it's hot too?

The only drawback for me would be my slight cat allergy.... (I don't think it would stop me actually having a cat one day.)

in reply to Sue Archer

@suearcher Less when it's hot. 😄
An old friend who's allergic to everything and anything (legumes, nuts, dander, raw vegetables, most fruit...) decided to get four cats. There was a whole process that led up to this, but in the end she just... Adopted four cats. 😆 Apparently she's fine with air purifiers, the occasional antihistamine and vacuuming a lot. Different cats have different allergens and there's often some acclimation, too. I'm a tiny bit sensitive to mum's cat while none to my own.
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Sini Tuulia
@IcooIey That's beautiful! Very Van Gogh Starry Night.
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Sini Tuulia
They're extremely effective in old drafty Finnish country houses and cottages, at least! It gets very cold in winter (down to -25C is normal) so I assume they developed from a long line of brick layers going "yeah nah that's not big enough" for several centuries 😄
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Sini Tuulia

@IcooIey I have the vaguest memory that Michigan had a lot of Finnish immigrants at some point (enough to warrant a specific slur for Finns, lol) and Minnesota a lot of Swedish? Sitting on top of the oven is definitely a Finnish thing to do (there's even a word for the spot and for a man who never grows up and stays home like a eternal boy, or a seasonal farmhand, instead) but I feel like it would naturally develop with that sort of oven in any case! It's very warm and they're often big enough to comfortably lie down, too.

Oh heck heat the entire house, please! 😆 I mean, the heat does rise, but you could have just put a little extra fireplace in, you already have the chimney...

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Sini Tuulia
@IcooIey Would have loved to be the fly on the wall when everyone got together to compare folk tales and customs. I feel like there's a lot of cultural similarities but not!
We tend to have a small extra fireplace on the same chimney, though a lot of the time it's not necessary, the massive oven practically built into the wall and the substantial chimney (The indoor bit, not the outside bit? I don't know the words) would radiate the heat across all the floors/levels anyway, except when it got very very cold.
I had a neighbour who smoked indoors and it would seep in through the hallway wardrobe, nowhere else. Extremely suboptimal.
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Sini Tuulia
@Janet_52square @IcooIey I've seen stoves like that, but usually in addition to the big brick oven. It's much easier to heat up some tea water in a little stand alone stove than fill up the big one!
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Janet
@IcooIey It was a big investment at the time but has repaid us many times over. Was so busy typing about stoves just forgot the lunch not too bad though!
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IcooIey
@Janet_52square
Ooo!! That’s wonderful.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@IcooIey Here is a photo of ours (we’re a bit untidy). The tiled wall is a heat sink (I did the tiling myself) and to heat the ovens we put the round covers down. We have a little fan that works by convection and circulates the warm air. Counter-intuitive to the habits needed in a centrally heated home we keep the kitchen door open to share heat and when we want it more cosy we shut the kitchen door.
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Sini Tuulia
@Janet_52square @IcooIey Yeah, I've tangentially read about it vis a vis the Scotland tradition of wool and a lot of it. It does much better in clammy conditions than other fabrics, keeps you warm even when wet.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@IcooIey The other thing about Scotland is we don’t often get very low temperatures but we usually have high humidity so it’s -4C today but 42% humidity. In terms of the human body’s response to weather it can feel like it is much colder because the air is damp. Hypothermia and pneumonia are real killers, especially among the elderly. Every year people die in the mountains because they underestimate the conditions - often when they are used to hiking in much colder climates but with less damp. So if a person has hiked the alps they might misjudge the conditions on the Cullins.
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Sini Tuulia
@Janet_52square There's everything from those minuscule pot belly stoves to really big six hob contraptions! Sometimes even pretty much the shape and size of a modern cooker, I've seen the wood stove and the electric one side by side. 😄 Though usually people will have gotten rid of the former to fit in the latter, and then sometimes regret it.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@IcooIey Yeah, I don’t know the dimensions of the Finnish ones but this is a smaller model here - 123cm x 90 x110 or it is 4ft wide and 2 and a half feet deep and 3 feet 10 inches high. (Roughly did those conversions in my head).
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Sini Tuulia

@Janet_52square @IcooIey A hinging lum! Fantastic.

Gosh heck yeah, TB changed a bunch of things. I think New York tends to have the absolutely unhinged hot radiators in buildings of a certain age because at one point the healthy thing was to keep all your windows open even through the winter, and you still needed to be warm...

in reply to Sini Tuulia

@IcooIey In Scots we’d call the inside chimney the lum and if it was suspended from the ceiling a ‘hingin lum’. The chimney itself is in the gable wall of the building, leading to a chimney pot on the roof. I don’t know an English word for this! In tenement flats there were often glass windows high in the walls to share heat between the ‘room’ and the kitchen and if a family lived in a single end (I suppose we’d call that a bedsit but they don’t really exist any more) the vents might be between flats. A lot of that was stopped when we discovered TB could be airborne. The plentiful and cheap nature of coal in Scotland from 1700s to 1990s meant that many open fires were used without being enclosed in a stove. Obviously wood burning on an open fire is extremely inefficient compared to coal. A hingin lum ⬇️ steam punk style.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

I only get cold when I’m sick. Sometimes when I go for a walk with friends in the winter I’ll put on extras layers so they don’t get cold looking at me!
in reply to Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)

@stepheneb 😄 Must be nice! My mother used to joke that I was a reptile because I was always completely incapable of retaining or generating any body warmth... Often I don't even feel cold, until suddenly I feel terrible, check my temperature and notice I'm bordering on hypothermia. 😆 Lately I notice because cold hands are very clumsy to do crafts with!
in reply to Sini Tuulia

Oh dear! That sounds difficult. Having such a slow metabolism makes it take extra long to warm up even after you wrap cozy blankets around you.

I’m now imaging a special warning oven just for blankets that knows before you need one to start warming another blanket/quilt for you.

in reply to Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)

@stepheneb Luckily there's not that much body mass to heat up once some warmth occurs. Usually I'm fine as long as I keep moving around a bit! It's good to be restless. 😄
There's the cats and I'm also a great fan of the hot water bottle.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

Koji, our older gray boss kitty is making a warm spot for both of is right now!
in reply to Janet

@Janet @LCooley @Sini Tuulia not heating the bedrooms was a thing also here in the north of Italy: you would have a cast metal stove like the one above in the kitchen (with an oven and range) with a fire constantly going (and a kettle of water and possibly some soup cooking on the range), maybe a fireplace if there was a separate living room, and nothing in the bedrooms.

And you only went to the bedrooms to sleep, and use extra warm blankets (and a night hat). And possibly put a perfectly safe metal container full of embers from the fire in the bed a short time before you went to sleep to warm it up. Or later on a slightly less unsafe electric blanket.

Temperatures here are a bit warmer than in Finland, but winter nights are often just below freezing even today, and of course used to be colder.

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

@valhalla @IcooIey @Janet_52square Here you'd often not have very many rooms, so the bedroom was where you spent time when you weren't cooking, eating or working outside! A combined dining room and parlour was a fine thing to have, often you'd also sleep in the combined parlour, dining room and bedroom if you weren't wealthy, or were staying with the owners of the house and needed somewhere to sleep (farm workers, labourers, other people's children, unmarried relatives)... But this was fairly efficient, because the big honking brick oven was also in the same room, so it would be quite warm!
Attics were mostly for storage and cats in regular people houses, the roof insulation wasn't ever very good. In big houses you'd put the servants there with maybe the heated water bottle or coal pan.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

@Sini Tuulia anyway, depending on the situation there are about even chances for me to go for moar clothing or moar blankets.

Less frequent, but not completely unheard of there are also “try to do something more active” and “wrap myself around a radiator” (the latter sometimes foiled by finding the radiator cold or lukewarm at most, depending on the time)

in reply to Sini Tuulia

@Sini Tuulia @LCooley @Janet here the room you spent time when not working outdoors was mostly the (heated) kitchen, so basically the same except for sleep time?
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

Yes, exactly - we still live this way. We live and work in our kitchen. In Scots, people often called their other room (it may have had had a bed in it as well as a settle or settee, a piano or a china cabinet) ‘the room’ so even in recent times at my aunties when we had finished eating in the kitchen she would ask ‘Do you want to go through to the room’ or my grandmother similarly might say, ‘Shall we go through the house’. They didn’t have a ‘lounge’ or anything, just a warm kitchen and an unheated best room/bedroom.
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Janet
@IcooIey @valhalla I was there in 1992. Reading their website they have real challenges to face. Here water is also the top climate change problem, not fire or wind. Apparently a study of Yorkminster shows the levels of moisture underneath the cathedral are enough to put it in danger of collapse in a flood - they didn’t build foundations as we do. Our house although it sits on a rise, is in a ‘glen’ a natural dip between hills - flooding is a very real risk.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

That really depends on the nature of the cold for me. If it's a damp cold that is getting into my bones... turn up the heat and banish it.

But I generally prefer things on the slightly chilly side, with robes, slippers, blankets, etc.

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Sini Tuulia
@IcooIey @wcbdata @Janet_52square It sure is nice to live in a region where everything is on district heating! The warm comes from the warmth plant via a series of hot water pipes. (It's mostly incineration, composting heat and industry waste heat, so it's a bit green too.)
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Bill, organizer of stuff
@IcooIey @Janet_52square There are (both IRS and MA) but they incentives aren't as good for geo as they are for heat pump, and ducting coats are quite high
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IcooIey
@wcbdata @Janet_52square
I have a friend who did geo thermal when they built their house 20 years ago and our town put it in the new elementary school opened two years ago. Also read about a community system in Massachusetts I think? It’s a great solution, if you have the resources to do it. Are there incentives through the IRA? CT has the Greenbank that helps with financing, does MA have any similar state resource?
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Bill, organizer of stuff
@IcooIey @Janet_52square I've been trying to find someone who will out geothermal in for us at a reasonable price. I suspect we're too small and too complicated for anyone to give us anything other than an f.u. price...
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IcooIey
@Janet_52square
When we moved in 25 years ago, it only had the original fuel oil boiler. We replaced that, made it 2 zone, then added wood stove to fireplace on middle (there is one not used in lower level). We build upper level 18 yrs ago and added 3rd zone to boiler. Put in 2 heat pumps 2 years ago for middle and upper level for cooling mainly. We have some of highest electric rates in US, but are unwilling to cut down 10+ 100 year old trees for solar.
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IcooIey
@Janet_52square The first owner who built and designed the house was the facilities manager at the university. He modified plans in an issue of Better Homes and Gardens called “Four Bedrooms on a Budget”. The original house is outside St.Louis MO US, so it’s quite different than most homes in New England. The siting means we have big windows all along the south side w/ oversized eaves. Great low angle winter light, shaded in summer.
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Janet
@IcooIey That’s pretty forward thinking for the 1950s. It wasn’t the best era for architecture in the UK - we were busy building as many cheap homes as we could to replace housing lost in the blitz. Unfortunately those houses, though cheap to build, are very expensive to heat and maintain today.
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IcooIey
@Janet_52square our house now is built into a hillside. The lowest floor stays cool in summer and warm in winter w/o much added. Middle main level has all the heating and cooling options which we switch around as needed. Upper level stays warm in winter fairly passively but we hear the heat kick on at night. All are separate zones so can be controlled independently. The house was built in the 1950’s and the only one in the neighborhood sited on a N-S axis.
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Janet
@IcooIey We have very little heat upstairs, three radiators in total and we don’t use them much. This is a very traditional house design so very squat with small rooms.
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Janet
@IcooIey @valhalla We need to stop burning the fossil fuels - it’s our only hope. We can’t insure and rebuild this world.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

Check the window, how wide open is it. Contemplate about heating prices. Then decide heating vs. clothes/blanket.

If night: likelihood of blanket choice is drastically increased.

in reply to Sini Tuulia

thermals, layers, and a fleece blanket worn like a sarong here. Cold hands when working from home still a risk but I just make a hot drink
in reply to Martin Gleadow

@mgleadow Blanket worn like a sarong is very effective, I used to do that too. 😄 Washing hands with very warm water after any old task that gets them dirty helps for a little bit, too.
in reply to Sini Tuulia

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in reply to Daisy 🌙🪺

@greengaybles My last flat was very cold all winter (there was genuinely something wrong with the heat building-wide) and I was used to wearing very many layers and a big woollen shawl, but it was pretty annoying to do anything while draped in everything! And then the worst part of course was taking off everything for bed, even if it was nice wearing woollen socks all day it was miserable to take off both those and the little cotton socks under them. This flat is a bit warmer, and even that little bit makes a huge difference, but I'm so used to just putting on more clothes and suffering that that's what I do. 😄

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