Remember kids:
IRC is free.
IRC is a open standard.
You can run your own IRC server.
IRC doesn't collect data on you and sell it.
You can still moderate your channels via invite, voice, and ban modes.
You can run a server on a 486.
IRC doesn't try to up sell you on "nitro".
IRC doesn't need to make money to make some VC happy.
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Jonathan Lamothe
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Pirate Praveen
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in reply to Miah Johnson • •@Miah Johnson @Jonathan Lamothe between the time when Google tried to kill it and today XMPP has had quite a revival and has grown a lot of features that wasn't common at that time but are considered quite important today (such as working well on mobile connections, and when used from multiple devices, and of course e2ee)
and there are bridges to use it to access IRC servers, and I've heard that they are quite useful to access IRC from mobile devices :D (I still have irssi in a screen)
allo
in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •XMPP has much more lag, so IRC is way better In fast group chats. For chats that are more like Whatsapp groups, XMPP wins because of sending backlog and similar more account oriented features.
Jonathan Lamothe
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • • •Systems like Matrix cannot compete with low latency chats anyway, but I think they fit a different use case than IRC.
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in reply to Jonathan Lamothe • •@Jonathan Lamothe @allo I often use an XMPP chat with people in the same room (as one does :D ) and my feeling¹ is that with pc clients the lag tends to be in the 2-3 seconds range, *but* we also are on the same server, and that may help.
mobile clients have a bit more lag
Other than that the other group chats I'm in only have a handful (<10) of people, and that probably helps in making lag not an issue.
¹ I haven't actually measured it
R.I.Pienaar
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in reply to R.I.Pienaar • • •@ripienaar counter: libera.chat.
Just because efnet turned into a shitshow, and freenode sold out doesn't mean you can't run your own server. You _DON'T_ have to chat on a "big" network. You can run your own for friends and family.
"The stuff irc opers get up to" sure. Everything can be abused. Just throw your PC into the ocean already.