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So, Gilead has a drug which when given twice a year effectively prevents 100% of all HIV infections. That's it, roll up your sleeve and get jabbed twice a year and never have to worry about AIDS. It is cheap to make, but instead of being credited as the company which ended AIDS globally, Gilead is looking to profit from it as much as possible. Humanity has the technical capability to end a horrible disease, and it won't because of capitalist reasons...

AIDS killed ~630k people last year.

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in reply to Infoseepage #StopGazaGenocide

@Binder Do you happen to know how much it cost them to develop, test, and get the drug approved?
in reply to pmonks (330ppm)

@pmonks because obviously people dying of fucking AIDS should have to cover the bill 🙄
in reply to Alex Von Kitchen

@Dangerous_beans The drug wouldn’t exist at all if Gilead hadn’t had an incentive to spend money on R&D, clinical trials, and the approvals process, and make at least some profit out the back end. And that would leave all of us worse off.

So where would you propose that money come from, or what alternative incentive structure are you proposing to ensure drug discovery continues to happen?

in reply to pmonks (330ppm)

@pmonks @Dangerous_beans

BULLSHIT.

Given half a chance, humans would make medicines just to fucking help each other and for an exciting science project, and the people who make useful stuff that helps a ton of people would be hailed as heroes and showered with gifts...

IF CAPITALISM WASN'T WARPING EVERYTHING INTO A FUCKING VAMPIRIC CONTEST THAT SUCKS THE GENEROSITY AND COMPASSION OUT OF THE WORLD UNTIL PEOPLE THINK THERE'S NO REASON TO SAVE LIVES IF YOU CAN'T CORNER THE MARKET ON THAT SHIT LIKE IT'S A PREY ANIMAL.

Goddamn.

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in reply to Alex Von Kitchen

@Alex Von Kitchen @pmonks (330ppm) I'd say that the bill should be covered by the public healthcare system, after negotiating a price with the manufacturers from the position of strength that being controlled by a national government gives, so that the pharmaceutical company has a way to recover their costs (including those for failed attempts), but is not in the position to abuse their monopoly on the specific drug.

Oh, wait, this is from the US, right?

(having non-profit entries taking care of the - expensive - R&D and trials parts would be even better, and probably a more efficient way to spend public money)

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

@valhalla @Dangerous_beans Yeah that’s a good model imho, in part because it allows for better cross-subsidisation of both failed and unprofitable drugs, based on drugs that are profitable. One issue is that it also tends to result in more unmet need in orphaned indications, since on a cost/benefit basis it isn’t rational to “waste” finite R&D on areas that have little need (which leaves folks with those conditions SOL). The TGA in Australia can be quite ruthless about this, for example.

And yes I believe OP was posting in the context of the US, where this kind of “socialist” model would be very difficult to deploy (which doesn’t make it any less of a good idea, ofc).

in reply to pmonks (330ppm)

@pmonks (330ppm) @Alex Von Kitchen AFAIK for-profit drug research isn't significantly better in covering those areas, so it wouldn't be any worse than it currently is.

Of course a full star-trek style utopia where everybody's need are provided for, money doesn't exist anymore and drugs simply available would be even better, but I don't expect to see *that* in my lifetime.

in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

Referring to your first paragraph, that doesn’t match what I’ve seen. In the US the FDA provides accelerated approval pathways for orphan indications, for example, in part to reduce development costs and incentivise R&D by (for profit) biotechs who might otherwise ignore them and focus on the “big 3” indications (heart disease, diabetes, and cancer, which are where the biggest revenue opportunities are).

As an aside, it’s interesting to note that states/“taxpayers” also impose costs (with good reason - I fully support that role for regulations) on drug developers. The myth that it’s all one-way subsidy of drug developers falls apart when looked at like that too.

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