@Uilebheist @Feòrag on the Italian side right now the line is completely closed between Chiasso (CH) and Como (IT)
so any delay or disruption is evidently the fault of the foreign operator, not SBB/CFF/FFS
(on a more serious note: the official warning from the swiss operatori sbb.ch/en says “Road and rail traffic has been severely affected. Travellers who do not have to travel to northern Italy urgently are not advised to travel. Rail services on the Chiasso–Milan Centrale route have been suspended and no rail replacement buses will be running between Chiasso and Milano Centrale. Passengers travelling to Italy should travel via the Simplon route to Milano Centrale instead. Please note that there may be capacity restrictions on the Simplon route. Service will last until 23 September 2025, around 11:59pm.”
(to be fair, the other commuter lines between the lower Tessin and Lombardy seem to be running, but there is no direct connection to Milan, they require at least one change)
@valhalla Trenitalia imagines that the Eurocity trains will be running "with diversions". Apart from 3 which have been cancelled. I'd advise to check with the station at Zürich as they'll have some information.
@valhalla I think I found an alternative route changing trains.... also arriving at Porta Garibaldi instead of Centrale, but I can go and wait for @feorag there and I know my way around...
Will now go to the station to get my train. See if that's as "entertaining"...
If I'm not mistaken the ECs are stopping at Lugano, and at every hour there is an S50 for Malpensa that stops at Lugano and then at Busto Arsizio
and from Busto Arsizio there are plenty of trains for Milan, for both Porta Garibaldi and Centrale
I think that all of the direct commuter trains from Lugano to Milan are on the Como line, and thus not running
(I know that at least one train to Milan from a line that doesn't involve Como arrived this morning with just 3 minutes of delay, so basically on time)
@Feòrag @Uilebheist asking the swiss train operators for suggestions is probably a good thing anyway, because they can help you with the hard problem of “which ticket am I supposed to buy, and why aren't you allowing me to get to my destination with an alternative route under the ticket I have already paid, you bastards?”
@valhalla So, @Uilebheist mentioned to me earlier that the train I was planning to get is running but with a later arrival time at Milan. So perhaps it is diverted?
I’m in mountains with variable signal, so I cans find much out myself.
@valhalla It was shown as running. The cancelled some earlier ones though and they may still cancel it. Having alternative routes already noted can't hurt.
I've just seen that one train from Lugano to Malpensa has been running 1 minute early (but not to worry, not it's back to being 1 minute late :D ) so the alternative route seems to be working regularly
the description of the disruptions on the Como line reminded me of the Crypto-Bolshevik Insurrectionist card in Munchkin Steampunk (i.e. nobody understands them), but they also give hope that the EC may be actually traveling to Milan, only skipping the stop in Como (or maybe not)
@valhalla Yes, that one. Lugano -> Gallarate -> Milano Porta Garibaldi. It does appear to be running. Hadn't noticed the one changing at Busto Arsizio.
@Uilebheist @Feòrag it's the same one, you can change at either Gallarate or Busto Arsizio
(I've just been told by a person nearby that they usually change at Gallarate and the sign with the trains is pretty big and convenient, you only have to be sure you're looking at the partenze (departures) and not the arrivi (arrivals) one)
The railway line is the same where this morning one train arrived on time, so unless there are further rains and unrelated disruptions there shouldn't be significant problems
@valhalla At the time feorag would be arriving it only shows Porta Garibaldi (if I ask Centrale it tells me to use the underground from Porta Garibaldi). But there's still time for the situation to change so we'll note all these trains but then check again in a couple of hours.
@Uilebheist from Gallarate trains to Milano Porta Garibaldi are good, I've checked and trains for Milano Centrale exist, but are rarer than I remembered, and trains to Treviglio are slower, but are also good for either Milano Porta Garibaldi passante or Milano Repubblica
I agree that probably Milano Porta Garibaldi is the easiest option
@Feòrag @Uilebheist and now there was more rain. and the Lugano to Malpensa line is having delays (average 30 minutes for all the trains on the same railway line) and cancellations
When we went to Italy in March, we took the long way around, with the actual border crossing being between Chur and Tirano, and got to Milan that way, before picking up a Frecciarossa there for Naples
The tunnel from France to Italy had still been closed
when I lived in Zürich, and needed to take the train everyday for work, I noticed that all the trains were either on time, or they were all 5 minutes late
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Feòrag
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in reply to Feòrag • • •You'll only be safe from DeutscheBahnung when you cross the border, but it's not far.
[Or is that Deutchebahnverspätung?)
Uilebheist
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in reply to Uilebheist • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Uilebheist • •@Uilebheist @Feòrag on the Italian side right now the line is completely closed between Chiasso (CH) and Como (IT)
so any delay or disruption is evidently the fault of the foreign operator, not SBB/CFF/FFS
(on a more serious note: the official warning from the swiss operatori sbb.ch/en says “Road and rail traffic has been severely affected. Travellers who do not have to travel to northern Italy urgently are not advised to travel. Rail services on the Chiasso–Milan Centrale route have been suspended and no rail replacement buses will be running between Chiasso and Milano Centrale. Passengers travelling to Italy should travel via the Simplon route to Milano Centrale instead. Please note that there may be capacity restrictions on the Simplon route. Service will last until 23 September 2025, around 11:59pm.”
(to be fair, the other commuter lines between the lower Tessin and Lombardy seem to be running, but there is no direct connection to Milan, they require at least one change)
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •I'd advise to check with the station at Zürich as they'll have some information.
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla I think I found an alternative route changing trains.... also arriving at Porta Garibaldi instead of Centrale, but I can go and wait for @feorag there and I know my way around...
Will now go to the station to get my train. See if that's as "entertaining"...
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Uilebheist • •@Uilebheist @Feòrag which one?
If I'm not mistaken the ECs are stopping at Lugano, and at every hour there is an S50 for Malpensa that stops at Lugano and then at Busto Arsizio
and from Busto Arsizio there are plenty of trains for Milan, for both Porta Garibaldi and Centrale
I think that all of the direct commuter trains from Lugano to Milan are on the Como line, and thus not running
(I know that at least one train to Milan from a line that doesn't involve Como arrived this morning with just 3 minutes of delay, so basically on time)
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Feòrag
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla So, @Uilebheist mentioned to me earlier that the train I was planning to get is running but with a later arrival time at Milan. So perhaps it is diverted?
I’m in mountains with variable signal, so I cans find much out myself.
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I've just seen that one train from Lugano to Malpensa has been running 1 minute early (but not to worry, not it's back to being 1 minute late :D ) so the alternative route seems to be working regularly
the description of the disruptions on the Como line reminded me of the Crypto-Bolshevik Insurrectionist card in Munchkin Steampunk (i.e. nobody understands them), but they also give hope that the EC may be actually traveling to Milan, only skipping the stop in Como (or maybe not)
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Feòrag • •@Feòrag @Uilebheist yay!
(and pheeeew, since the alternative trains are also not running at the moment)
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Uilebheist
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla I can confirm that feorag's train arrived at Porta Garibaldi 1 minute early (!!!)
However the arrival screen at the platform's end showed a train 2 hours later, to confuse people waiting for other people.
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Uilebheist • •@Uilebheist @Feòrag it's the same one, you can change at either Gallarate or Busto Arsizio
(I've just been told by a person nearby that they usually change at Gallarate and the sign with the trains is pretty big and convenient, you only have to be sure you're looking at the partenze (departures) and not the arrivi (arrivals) one)
The railway line is the same where this morning one train arrived on time, so unless there are further rains and unrelated disruptions there shouldn't be significant problems
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • •@Uilebheist from Gallarate trains to Milano Porta Garibaldi are good, I've checked and trains for Milano Centrale exist, but are rarer than I remembered, and trains to Treviglio are slower, but are also good for either Milano Porta Garibaldi passante or Milano Repubblica
I agree that probably Milano Porta Garibaldi is the easiest option
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • •@Feòrag @Uilebheist and now there was more rain. and the Lugano to Malpensa line is having delays (average 30 minutes for all the trains on the same railway line) and cancellations
were you already in Milan, or are you affected?
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Alan Bellingham
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •When we went to Italy in March, we took the long way around, with the actual border crossing being between Chur and Tirano, and got to Milan that way, before picking up a Frecciarossa there for Naples
The tunnel from France to Italy had still been closed
Elena ``of Valhalla''
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in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla @Uilebheist Oh yes. The Bernina Express is an express by dint of not stopping at every station, but it does take several hours for its bit
Utterly glorious though. Deep crisp white snow under a clear blue sky, it was every cliché rolled up into one
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