shop: this product is ✨ vegan ✨ shop: ✨ no animals were harmed in the making of this product ✨ me: okay great me: so what is it made of shop: ✨ plastic ✨
veganism is when you get a bunch of crude oil form the ground, transform it into PVC or whatever in chemical plants, and then have it shed microplastics onto the entire planet for decades. And the more you do those things, the more vegan it is
@mynameistillian yeah. It's unavoidable. I would say cotton and other plant fibers are the best option, but even then, those are using up tons of space and water and pesticides are a factor
To be controversial: there are absolutely applications where leather is the least harm. It is super durable and may involve less pesticides or water use than replacing a plant fabric thing over and over again.
Although, to be clear, most of the time, hemp is the better choice as its also incredibly durable and also resists bacteria.
There is no zero-impact option. We live in a web of interrelationships and staying alive requires a certain amount of input. But also its good that we're alive and we are not all input, but also output.
@celesteh @mynameistillian I have two leather jackets so old that they were already old when I bought them and had been wearing them since a while too. I think I will be able to pass it down to any potential future niblings or something, they're just so durable
And then they try to say its breathable and antibacterial so it's the same or better, as if natural fibres aren't.
Literally both times I've had folliculitis, it was directly traceable to polyester, nylon, or blends containing mainly polyester or nylon coming into contact with damaged or broken skin while I was sweating. (Once to leggings, once to looser pants.) Both times required antibiotics to treat, one time resulted in scarring that's only just started to fade years later. I've never had that problem in cotton or linen (or even in 5% elastane blends with either).
And I don't care how lightweight the mesh is, I am going to sweat exponentially more in synthetics than I will in natural fibres and that just adds up to sensory hell. (I have no idea why and I frankly can't be bothered finding out.) I still sweat a fair bit in cotton if the weather is hot or humid enough, but that's what linen is for.
The only thing plastic has going for it so far in containers is that it's significantly cheaper than silicon (glass and ceramic can shatter too easily for my clumsy self). Or possibly the few sellers around me offering silicone food containers are charging exorbitant prices (I'm convinced this also happens and probably more than people think). I could definitely try my hand at it, but I don't have a 3D printer so I doubt I'll get very far making anything that can seal well enough for food storage.
And, well, elastane - but there's apparently research happening around trying to find a sustainable alternative.
Most synthetic fibers just don't allow any liquid or air to pass. They insulate you hermetically. The sweat does not pass through and evaporate, it just builds up.
I will go to bat for semisynthetic fibers such as rayon or lyocell though. Those are usually fine to wear. And clothes with 2% elastane or whatever are fine in my book. That usually just means the waistband is made of that stuff.
Oh yeah, rayon performs really nicely when it's blended with linen - that seems to solve all the wrinkling issues, and doesn't seem to need an especially high percentage of rayon either. I find it tends to make cotton warmer at a lighter weight though, at least in knits - but it also feels smoother, which is nice when my skin is Big Mad. Haven't had much chance to wear anything pure rayon that isn't socks though.
I do always worry about how exactly it's being produced if it's not one of the trademarked ones though.
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in reply to schratze • • •tillian 🇰🇿🦊:antifa: ACAB
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in reply to tillian 🇰🇿🦊:antifa: ACAB • • •Charles :trans_comm: Grn Prty
in reply to schratze • • •@mynameistillian
To be controversial: there are absolutely applications where leather is the least harm. It is super durable and may involve less pesticides or water use than replacing a plant fabric thing over and over again.
Although, to be clear, most of the time, hemp is the better choice as its also incredibly durable and also resists bacteria.
There is no zero-impact option. We live in a web of interrelationships and staying alive requires a certain amount of input. But also its good that we're alive and we are not all input, but also output.
Angela Glansbury 🚽
in reply to Charles :trans_comm: Grn Prty • • •i wear leather everything
horseshoe crab
in reply to Charles :trans_comm: Grn Prty • • •A Flock of Beagles
in reply to schratze • • •Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
in reply to schratze • • •cotton: pretty water intensive and if it's not eco cotton the production often releases a ton of waste chemicals into the watter
linen: barely needs any water and the wrinkling is part of the charme, no "non-iron" chemicals needed, 10/10 no notes
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to schratze • •@schratze to be fair, a lot of insects and possibly some birds, harmed by the pesticides used to grow the cotton
and I'm not sure whether the chemicals¹ used to ret the linen or other bast fibers also harm animals or only the workers
still less than those harmed by microplastic in the seas and elsewhere
¹ it is possible to process them with just water and time. afaik it's too much time for mainstream commercial production
like this
schratze e Mre. Dartigen [maker mode] like this.
Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
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Mre. Dartigen [maker mode]
in reply to schratze • • •And then they try to say its breathable and antibacterial so it's the same or better, as if natural fibres aren't.
Literally both times I've had folliculitis, it was directly traceable to polyester, nylon, or blends containing mainly polyester or nylon coming into contact with damaged or broken skin while I was sweating. (Once to leggings, once to looser pants.) Both times required antibiotics to treat, one time resulted in scarring that's only just started to fade years later. I've never had that problem in cotton or linen (or even in 5% elastane blends with either).
And I don't care how lightweight the mesh is, I am going to sweat exponentially more in synthetics than I will in natural fibres and that just adds up to sensory hell. (I have no idea why and I frankly can't be bothered finding out.) I still sweat a fair bit in cotton if the weather is hot or humid enough, but that's what linen is for.
The only thing plastic has going for it so far in containers is that it's significantly cheaper than silicon (glass and ceramic can shatter too easily for my clumsy self). Or possibly the few sellers around me offering silicone food containers are charging exorbitant prices (I'm convinced this also happens and probably more than people think). I could definitely try my hand at it, but I don't have a 3D printer so I doubt I'll get very far making anything that can seal well enough for food storage.
And, well, elastane - but there's apparently research happening around trying to find a sustainable alternative.
schratze
in reply to Mre. Dartigen [maker mode] • • •@dartigen yeah that's fucked up.
Most synthetic fibers just don't allow any liquid or air to pass. They insulate you hermetically. The sweat does not pass through and evaporate, it just builds up.
I will go to bat for semisynthetic fibers such as rayon or lyocell though. Those are usually fine to wear. And clothes with 2% elastane or whatever are fine in my book. That usually just means the waistband is made of that stuff.
Mre. Dartigen [maker mode]
in reply to schratze • • •Oh yeah, rayon performs really nicely when it's blended with linen - that seems to solve all the wrinkling issues, and doesn't seem to need an especially high percentage of rayon either. I find it tends to make cotton warmer at a lighter weight though, at least in knits - but it also feels smoother, which is nice when my skin is Big Mad. Haven't had much chance to wear anything pure rayon that isn't socks though.
I do always worry about how exactly it's being produced if it's not one of the trademarked ones though.