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I have an idea for a program to promote businesses that are good for the environment because they help people repair things. Places like tailors, cobblers, electronics repair are all at risk of vanishing along with the skills required to do these things.

Right at a moment when we should be making repair and longevity a bigger part of material culture.

My cobbler is very old and isn't training anyone to take over.

Just telling people to repair things won't cut it.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

There needs to be:

* incentives to manufacture things that can be repaired
* a general shift to see repairability as a sign of quality, luxury and responsibility
* training a new generation to do the work
* support for these trades so it's a viable way of life

Having a job fixing things is one of those types of work that can nourish the soul. But it need to nourish the wallet too.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I think the disappearance of these kinds of trades feeds the feeling that the modern world is terrible and strange strains of nostalgia that right wing politicians seem adept at exploiting and turning in to much uglier things... without ever bringing back any of the things from "the good old days" that were actually good.

Like shoes that you could love and have for 25 years.

I've heard people suggest that products that last slow economies. That isn't true. They change who gets to make money.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

That's "long-term design".

interactionmagic.com/Design-fo…

HNN discussion:
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2…

in reply to Michael Roberts

I've been interested in that for a long time. Planned obsolescence is one of the many cancers besetting our society. Makes perfect sense from a corporate capitalist evolutionary standpoint, but it's solving for the wrong variables.
in reply to Michael Roberts

@vivtek

The environmental angle is critical, but so is the way that not being able to fix things, or have them fixed by people we know robs us of a certain opportunity for dignity. There is a young person walking the Bronx who could have been learning to fix shoes, who could have had a future doing something that people would thank them for. And there are several hundred people who will have shoes that make them sad as they toss them in the trash one after the other. Seems like a bad trade.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@vivtek for all the environmental problems they cause, one thing which does regularly get repaired and reused are cars - but even here there's a problem where all the garages want to hire /trained/ mechanics but none of them want to invest in training the new generation (and often won't even hire those just out of college, they want experienced staff only, and apprentice wages are only sufficient for teenagers living with parents, which discourages older people who might want a career change).

Also many workplaces have a fairly stressful or even toxic environment..

This is something that is a problem across all skilled trades (at least here in UK, but could be across the entire "Western" world), and needs to change quickly.

in reply to Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@vivtek as for the Austrian telephone in the article, pretty much every European country in the 20th century had a similar telephone set, easily repairable with a modular design - but they were often only available for rental via a nationalised telephone provider, who commissioned the devices to a strict technical standard (they were usually built by a number of private companies, but it didn't matter which one the telephone came from as it would always be the same specification and compatible with all the others).

(this is one of the British equivalents, a 700 series telephone)

in reply to Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@vfrmedia @vivtek Proof once again that multiple private companies are able to make mutually-compatible devices to meet specifications. Non-interoperable, non-repairable equipment designed for obsolescence is intentional. And it would be fraud if the laws weren’t written at the behest of the frauds.
in reply to su_liam

@su_liam @vfrmedia Oh, it's worse even than you think (maybe). I operate a farm (part-time, very part-time) and there's a lot of weed trimming involved. I particularly like the Ryobi battery trimmers. But the parts compatibility is broken *between releases*. The mounting screws are in different places in differently aged shafts - not because it's better, but because it means you can't reuse a shaft from a year-old trimmer.
in reply to Michael Roberts

@su_liam @vfrmedia My son's a mechanical engineer, currently working on his doctorate. They actually teach planned obsolescence in design classes. It's not clandestine. It's market advantage.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Agree. I work at the library to help people keep their older technology running and that helps somewhat. But then you get huge sea changes like Microsoft saying "We won't support Windows 10 after October" and suddenly a lot of people feel they have to buy newer (and often less good) computers. We swim upstream but we do swim.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Im a big fan of the idea of having a standardized repairabilty rating on all manufactured goods.
Something like the Energy Star ratings.

Makers would have to evaluate and declare the rating according to prescribed criteria such as availability of spare parts, open vs closed source, ease of disassembly etc.

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Shannon Clark

@EverydayMoggie seriously shows like The Repair Shop (and some YouTube channels about restorations) are a good start.

bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/take-p…

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myrmepropagandist

@EverydayMoggie

There was a time when manufacturers of appliances did a lot more in the way of trying to get themselves into the repair loop. But that was never as profitable as just selling a brand new appliance.

And their DRM like attempts to insist that all parts come from them, and desire to control the process made it less attractive to participate in.

And the skilled repair people might have a few "certifications" or not what matters is experience.

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