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“We don't right now have any information about who put them up. We do know that they're very professionally designed signs. They're very large. They're very well done. So someone went to a lot of trouble to put these large signs up.”

cpr.org/2024/11/21/boulder-exp…


Boulder’s explicit traffic safety signs are the latest real-looking fakes on Colorado roads

Several of the signs were concentrated along 28th Street, a busy north-south thoroughfare that the city has identified as being particularly dangerous.
Molly Cruse (Colorado Public Radio)

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jcriecke
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maybe if the DOT doesn't want people putting up fake signs calling out unsafe driving then they should do something about all the unsafe driving?
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John Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺
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@jcriecke
How about automatic photo enforcement?

For example, London uses automatic cameras to send citations for speeding and not maintaining safe following distances.

I'd add that if a camera catches a driver with a phone in their hand or earbuds in, they should be cited too.

If a license plate reader detects a fake plate, that should trigger a real-time notice to police to pull over and arrest the driver.

@jcriecke
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Virginia Holloway
Virginia Holloway
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@sky @johnlogic In all seriousness, my city just implemented cameras that catch drivers who pass school busses stopped with the lights flashing and STOP signs sticking out. A lot of drivers are being caught and serious people are complaining that it’s unfair on socio economic grounds to fine people since many are impoverished or from minority communities. Apparently just not passing stopped school busses isn’t an option people are willing to consider.
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prokyonid
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@VirginiaHolloway @sky @johnlogic A fine is always an unjust punishment for any crime, on the basis of socioeconomics - because it means wealthy people can just pay their way out of trouble.

Passing a bus with the sign out should not incur a fine - but it should be grounds to automatically pull your license.

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Sini Tuulia
Sini Tuulia
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@prokyonid Just in case nobody else is going to mention it, just make the fines scale to monthly earnings or assets... In Finland some asshole had to pay a 121 000€ fine ($129,544) for speeding, as he damn well should. Make it hurt the rich people, as well, it's very simple.
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Elena ``of Valhalla''
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@Sini Tuulia @prokyonid this.

it may not solve 100% of cases, but who cares, when it is so much better than the alternative for more than 90% of them

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prokyonid
prokyonid
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@sinituulia That is still financial punishment only, when the root problem is that people who do not follow traffic safety laws should not be driving. Unless you are going to remove the ability of the wealthy to make an income, financial punishment will always disproportionately affect the poor.
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Sini Tuulia
Sini Tuulia
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@prokyonid Well they do also get their driver's licence taken away after a couple of infractions, off the top of my head maybe three? And there's a long process to get it back, if you ever do. But slap someone with tens or hundreds of thousands of euros of fines just once, and they'll likely try not to do it at least for a little while. Meanwhile, nice extra money to use for municipal improvement.
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prokyonid
prokyonid
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@sinituulia How do you deter a billionaire from breaking traffic safety laws?
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Sini Tuulia
Sini Tuulia
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@prokyonid If he has 44 billion dollars to his name, take away one billion every time he fucks up. Eventually he's either going to learn or run out. In either case that's a billion dollars not available to breaking society since it's not his any more. That buys a whole lot of potatoes for a food assistance programme, too.
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prokyonid
prokyonid
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@sinituulia unless said billionaire makes a habit of breaking the traffic laws in front of a traffic cop on the daily, as part of their breakfast or something, I very strongly suspect they could replace that amount fast enough that it would not seriously affect them.
@Sini Tuulia
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Sini Tuulia
Sini Tuulia
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@prokyonid You don't even have traffic cameras, and those speed metering poles that only trigger the camera when you pass the speed limit? Jesus fuck. I don't think we even HAVE traffic cops, if someone is needed in traffic, the closest car from the general roster is called.

Anyway, I have multiple other things to do, so let me just leave you with this:
It is possible, if not even necessary and important, to implement things that better things somewhat instead of chasing down a perfect solution while doing *nothing else* at the same time. No perfect solutions exist, only a legion of somewhat reasonable ones, patched together.

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prokyonid
prokyonid
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@sinituulia I do not agree that a financial penalty is an imperfect somewhat-reasonable response to safety concerns but I respect your desire to exit the conversation, and I wish you the best.
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