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Hello and a big welcome

to everyone new to diaspora*


With Google+ closing today, you might have just signed up to diaspora* looking for a new home. We're so pleased that you've decided to give diaspora* a try. It's fantastic that you've joined us! We have a big existing community of former G+ users, and you could try tags such as #gplusrefugee and #googleplus to connect with people you know from G+.

We hope that you quickly find your way here, and enjoy getting connected with people and content.

Here's a few tips for getting started:
  • There are some step-by-step tutorials on our project website covering the basics of how diaspora* works, and how to get connected with people. There's a link to these in the side-bar, should you ever want to read them in future, and there's also an in-app Help section you can access through your user menu (at the right-hand end of the header bar).
  • You can search for people by name or by diaspora* ID (which looks like an email address), if you know it, from the search field in the header bar. You can invite people to join you in diaspora* by sending them a link to our project website, from where they can choose their own pod to register with. Your friends don't need to be on the same pod as you in order to connect and communicate with you.
  • One good way to start getting connected with people is to start following some #tags of subjects that interest you (maybe #music, #photography, #linux, or #activism ... whatever interests you) so that you will see content on those topics in your stream. You can then start following people whose posts you find interesting, by placing them into one of your aspects.
  • If you have any questions, post something with the #question or #help tag, and people will try to help you. Make sure to make your post public so anyone who can help is able to see it!
diaspora* has some very simple community guidelines, which we hope everyone will feel able to follow so that all members can have the best possible experience here.

We're trying to improve diaspora* all the time, fixing bugs, honing performance and adding new features. But how fast we can do this is limited by the time developers have. To improve diaspora* faster, we need more developers! If you've just signed up and can code, or know someone who can and who might be interested in joining our team, get in touch!

<3 diaspora*

#newhere #neuhier #nouveauici #nouvelleici #nuevoaqui #nuevaaqui #nuovoqui #nuovaqui #nuovoutente #nuovautente #nieuwhier #новичок #νέοςεδώ #diaspora

burning bridges like they are burning books

Yeah I also regularly download my data. My pod is possibly one of the worst so I definitely don't trust it staying around forever. Looking forward to the migration feature!

I'm looking forward to when we can edit our messages after posting! Nothing more embarrassing than hitting "post", then finding you have misspelled a word!

@Museand the comments. And comment likes and dislikes ;-) I clearly remember these from years ago. :-)

@Andrew Pam Hellofellow #podmin

@Jamie Macbeth This might help you getting around

Thanks .. I'll give it a read, might take a few days to get used to all the new stuff ... after rising from my G+ death..

I like Diaspora* a lot so far! Glad I found it...
It's so nice that here are no ads but I have still got problems to get the right # Tags. Sadly there is a difference to #Twitter and their 500mln users...
# #Twitter

Diaspora is a good alternative to google plus. I have still no idea, why google plus is crashed down and Fake Book is still here.

@Tarator Abentheuer and @Andrew Pam #waves to fellow #podmin :)

I largely run my pod on principle. I'm able to do it, and we need more pods, not less. The people that run pluspora are awesome folks, but it's an awful lot of eggs in one basket. Once pod migration is released, I could probably on-board 1,000 folks in a fairly short order.

@Peter Gervai my research has found that comment likes was removed some time ago because it was blowing up pod databases. AFAIK those issues have been resolved with changes to the db structure, but someone needs to write new code

To All Who are #NewHere

Welcome!


Besides all the other very helpful stuff that people post here about the #Federation and the #Fediverse, we still see a lot of new people appear, post their #newhere message, and then we never see them again. To help with that, I wanted to offer this little bit of information.
Diaspora takes time to become what you want it it to be.

This is because #Diaspora will not suggest “people you may know” or “stuff you might be interested in.” There’s no data-mining or tracking or spying on you to find out what to “suggest” to you. You build your own here, and that takes a little more time. It’s well worth the investment, but things will get off to a slow start at first. So I suggest the following:

Follow #hashtags that you’re interested in. You’ll find some really great stuff written by people who share that interest. Read the comments on those posts, and you’ll find even more people who write great stuff on the subject.

Follow people instead of just hashtags. Those people you find who write really good stuff, you can share with (add to your Aspects). I create new Aspect Categories according to some of the hashtags I follow. You can also ignore people who write stupid stuff, or who just fill your Stream with spam posts.

Make an imaginative profile that makes people want to share with you. Besides just listing your interests, you can include things you have contributed to the world. Even if it’s just “Little League outfielder” or “I talk too much in class” or “I have an awesome recipe for peach cobbler.”

Invest a little time in making Diaspora your own. It doesn’t really work on “auto-pilot.” It’s well worth the time!

This is just my thoughts, and I’m writing this in response to no one in particular, at the same time to all interested in this thread and the future of Diaspora.

I’m one of the new lurkers here and the freshness and freedom of Diaspora feels really good! I’m still trying to figure out where to go with this. Everywhere I go in search of alternative media someone is spewing content I don’t wanna see through (here:) tags I wanna follow. This has been going on for more than two decades now. But being free from commercial channels Diaspora provides a very good version. It could be described as a kind of a slow forum for thoughtful people.

Maybe the most devine (can I even use that word here?) reason for having people come here is to liberate them from being a data-producing product exposed to commercials. But maybe we should not search for the way where we reach and catch as many as possible, but let it grow slowly. Many wanna try something else because of a variety of reasons, not just because they wanna leave now “traditional” communities.

One can almost use the words ecological thinking about our growth. But as all good growing things, you don’t want them to die, and I am openly guessing a worry like that is behind your post @Robin - and a bit this one too. Being an anthropologist, this is a tad interesting to me. If anyone “in charge” would iike to, I can work with them, putting together a simple questionaire for trying to find the intention - or why.

Maybe Diaspora is what it is for now - if so just an alternative version to explore for some. A thing that can help understand what commercial forums are and what the users want with them, not a bad thing in it self. Then there are other ways to go about growth in the long run.

But I too wanna see more interesting porfiles and posts in here. Which returns me to the start of this post - my own lurkingness in here. That’s my “job”. Central in my life now is starting a small business. But I don’t wanna spew certain content in a commercail-free-forum like this. That contributes to my present lurky profile. but more is coming. (This post is one thing.)

@kalastaja@flokk.no It may be a problem that the types of content is highly dependant on the population present, quality and quantity-wise as well.

If Disapora gets popular there will be approximately the same quality information as on Fæcesbook or elsewhere. The content is created by the people: the more people, the more the content will be the same as anywhere else.

The only exception is that here nobody try to sell your data, and controlling (censoring) content is much harder. This may be a big theoretical win, but in everyday use it's almost non-existant to the average person.

@kalastaja@flokk.no...

Your view of what's here can be modified by three things...
  • who you choose to put in your Aspects (follow)
  • who adds you to their Aspects (sharing with you)
andAlso, there are two distinct streams available:
  • your personal stream
and
  • the Public stream.
The latter is a free-for-all where you will see post from anyone and anywhere with any content.

The former, your personal stream, is determined by Aspects/#hashtags/people sharing with you. Yes, some crap will seep in to that stream, but not as much as you will see on the Public one.

If someone is sharing with you and you don't care to see their posts (not replies, just their original posts), then you can Ignore them by pulling up their profile and click the Ignore icon (circle with line through it). This will prevent their original posts from appearing in your personal stream, but not replies they leave on other people's posts.

It is what it is... until improvements in true blocking are instituted here.

Regards...

Nice feedback :)

And herein lies my future attention, @V. T. Eric Layton. But I must clarify - best done through an example; Even if I follow #politics to get some news concerning politics, I get less thought through opinions on politics. Any tag can mean a lot of different things. That's my experience since the first chat-rooms, and BBS:es even. But maybe I need to bang my head against these functions here a bit more :)

Size matters, you say @Peter Gervai. Well, I'd say Diaspora is allready past that limit.

I guess my point there was I am satisfied and pleasently surprised with what Diaspora is this far. And it can get better for me. But for these one time tryers, it might be just a nother fish in the sea. A fish where you have to work to get contacts - which may not yet be suitable for the like-me-addict.

What are your thoughts? :)

You are correct about the #hashtags being insufficient in themselves. The problem is that spammer, click-baiters, all-round-troll-assholes will often tag their posts and replies with false #science, #mathematics, #news, etc. tags. Unfortunately, the system will add that disguised crap into your stream. :(

The problem is that spammer, click-baiters, all-round-troll-assholes will often tag their posts and replies with false #science, #mathematics, #news, etc. tags.
Thanks for using false tags.

Doubly so for repeating them! ;-)
#trolling but, um, since this is a properly tagged comment, maybe it isn't in the end. ;-)

Buenas!! Esta información está en español, ya que no entiendo inglés!! Gracias y abrazos!!

Hello all :) looking forward to learning about this site and the great people here.

il y a des francais ici?

@balnelius@diaspora.vrije-mens.org Si vous suivez la tag #giletsjaunes je suis sûr que vous trouverez des français et des canadiens.
Bienvenu! DeepL Translator

Danke schön ihr Lieben; thank you loveley one's
Sorry for i'm unperfect in other languages
So english or german (sorry)

Kind regards

Lothar

hello to all,I would like to thank you all for making me feel welcome and would like to say welcome to all the other new people :)
english is my only language but will do my best to understand others.

Just exploring.

[removed spam comment from yesterday]

Wrote here a lot , and I do not know English , I do not have the ability to other languages

hello everyone :) just installed a translater on my browser ,was an idea given me by another user here :) helps alot thankyou :D

Great job man @morgonas@diaspora.flidais.net

@morgonas@diaspora.flidais.net great suggestion! I never thought of add ing translation support to the browser. I use firefox and just added https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/instant-translate/
Works like a charm!

For many common languages, deepl.com provides really good translations

@Christoph S of course, and it does not have the automatic data grabbing from google translate. But IMO it is too much of a hassle to go to the deeple website and have a message translated. A Firefox addon is so much more convenient. You don't have to leave the page you want to translate.
IMO this is second best (after having an option to translate in diaspora itself)

@ Christoph S and Rob Bosch but deepl.com ist not for free.

@Hartmut Schröder (Schroeder) You can use the webversion for free at https://www.deepl.com/translator
If you want to use the API you have to buy a license... I still think it would be best to have a translate option implemented in #diaspora* but second best is a browser addon like the instant-translate addon....

Hi Diaspora be carefull i think that some malicious hacker want intercept traffic to all user, with a fake server cloning, they use some fake certified, just see a bit.

Thanks for the warm welcome. G+ is no longer available.

@Rob Bosch short of someone writing our own translator, the only other option I can think of would be to provide the necessary hooks, and have the pod owners pay for using the API on each pod :/

@Olav Folland Agreed on that. I was just looking for some options and stubled into this: http://www.statmt.org/moses/?n=Moses.Overview
Could that be a startingpoint to add to d* (or maybe even all fedrated services)?

@Rob Bosch that's pretty cool. I didn't know there was OS stuff out there to play with. The basic command line app they provide even does auto language detection, which is pretty sexy.

Couldn't get an idea on the amount of horsepower required to do the actual translation, but assuming a manual translate button for a post/comment, the engine has to detect language (this might be doable with dictionary words) to determine what model to use, and then do a syntactical translation from detected language to target language. I could possibly do it for one or three people on my personal server, but even my small pod, I wouldn't want to try it on my cloud server.

The models are a bit trickier. Moses uses the same machine learning techniques Google and others use - to provide a good syntactical translation, you need to translate sentences, not words, so you have to feed the machine equivalent sentences in both the original language and the target language, and the more the better. This is done with books. For example, for a minuscule dataset, if you want to translate FR->EN, you might feed Moses The Count of Monte Cristo (an exceptionally large book) in both languages and tell it to sort things out. From that, Moses creates a model for the translation engine. Repeat for FR->ES, ES->EN, etc.

Straightforward, but where the problem comes in is that you need a huge dataset, or funny things can happen [Google for example had a 'hilarity did ensue' moment a few years back because in some cases, translating some African languages to English started spitting out Bible verses - because some more obscure languages don't have a lot of literature that is available in both source and target languages, but nearly every language has the Bible.]

So big datasets = big horsepower. The Moses documentation suggests a small dataset of 300K sentences can take 1-2 days to build a model on a gaming PC. So that gets you a minimal FR->EN. You have to build a separate model for EN->FR, etc. So ideally, you'd have a cluster available (to be fair, some of this may be able to be done by loading the learning tasks on top of an @home engine, but the main server would still have to be pretty beefy).

I'd be happy to "donate" surplus cpu cycles of my VPS (6 xeon E5 cores + 16GB RAM) to help with the learning part... it would be awesome if there could be a seti@home-like option to help training the translation engine...

@diaspora* HQ can you comment on this if this could be feasible for d*?

@Rob Bosch first, we would need thousands of person-hours worth of native language speakers to scan, OCR, and proof-read tens of thousands (or more!) pages of text for each target language to build a dataset
Then we need a host server/cluster to store tens of gigabytes of data per model)
Then we need a server/cluster (same one as before, probably) to distribute the tasks and combine the results
Then we gotta assume we have that cluster, and it can host translation services. * Diaspora* pods can host a couple thousand people on two cores and 8GB RAM. I seriously doubt a translation API on such a server could sever for more than like 20-50, including the stream performance hit, (And since most pods are hosted by individuals providing the service for free, asking them to radically upgrade their servers isn't particularly fair)
But, removing the hardware issues, and assuming a decent set of volunteers to do the data & software efforts, how long do you think it would take? Two years? More?
Post editing, groups, and some other features require a fraction of the effort. Being able to Federate with ActivityPub (like Mastodon) services would require less effort. And any of those add functionality that doesn't duplicate what can be implemented by users today via a browser plugin

There are a lot of things that are interesting, sustainable, good for distributed social networks, and some of them may even be even a good idea for diaspora*. Running our own translation service for the entire network is neither of those things.

#newtodiaspora ? Here's a #tip from a #newcomer: #start with some #tags and then you add more after a while #addtags . And, don't be #shy or #picky when it comes to starting to #share / #sharing with people by adding them to anyone of your #aspects . #people #here are often #funny or #creative , often by adding #ownart / #diy / #mywork , not least of which is #photo / #foto / #photography . One interesting tag seems to #gimpsunday . Yet a nother tip is #language. Even if #you #think language is a #barrier , in here it's most often not so. My #forgotten #german and #french is #returning now, #thankyou #diaspora #community !

#Sorry not sorry for #overtagging. I just wanna spread this as much as #possible. Part of why I #write it here as a #comment

@kalastaja@flokk.no may not work if your server doesn't "pull" those contents, and you'll end up nothing for the hashtags. Small servers need people to "follow' others to pull in the foreign (federated) content, and hashtags will only work afterwards.

It's a bit convoluted…

oooook. so now we know that. also.

and this is how we #learn #people

:D

And also hastags in comments are not searchable...

And also hastags in comments are not searchable…
... but they are clickable. :)

So basically if you click on the ♥ you enroll for the public directory of active users. ;-)

Gli admin di fakebook usano il tabnabbing e burpsuite per disattivare gli account delle persone, che ritengono usino la propria testa e di diversa opinione dalla loro.

It's been two months and I still get notifications for this post.

Well now, I send one back to all of you! Made you look!

@grey neener neener neener ;)