@Diego Roversi @Kiki Sorsan sisko also, vertical elevators that are part of the public transport system of a town do often require a ticket
(TIL that the ones in Genova no longer do so, but only for city residents, everybody else needs to pay for one)
A lot of the elevators I can think of are either private (and the costs are directly shared by the people who live in the building) or inside a shopping-related building (so the costs are probably paid by the shop owners with the obvious benefits)
@valhalla @diegor in my experience most elevators related to public transport are indeed free (eg. inside stations, going to platforms etc.), and they are basically treated as part of the street network like all those public elevators on bridges etc.
of course in some countries station elevators are behind the ticket gates, but i'd say that they are not there so that people would pay for using the elevators but rather just by coincidence.
(and here it's a complete list, but it's in Italian: amt.genova.it/amt/trasporto-mu… — and there is the announce that one of them is currently closed, and the service is provided by a *bus*)
I remember having seen similar things in other horizontally-challenged Italian towns, but I don't remember where
@valhalla @diegor cultural differences again! in finland all the elevators that are part of public transport or street network are free to use, or at least i have yet to see one with a fee.
the only elevators where you really have to buy a ticket are those that go up to a viewing platform and nowhere else, as they are nothing but tourist attractions. though even some of those are free, but there's a strong exception that you buy something from an adjacent cafe or restaurant.
@Kiki Sorsan sisko @Diego Roversi as for elevators inside a station, most of the people using them would already have a ticket for the trains, so you could say that they are part of the whole train service they are paying for, or they are using them to meet somebody who has paid that ticket; I guess that in some cases they will be used by other people as a convenient shortcut between the two sides of a station, and it's not a big deal, but I expect that it only works as long as there aren't congestion issues.
@Kiki Sorsan sisko @źmicier | зміцер here in Italy for residential buildings you get a bill every year to cover the common expenses, and there is a line for elevators that is usually proportional to the floor one lives on; dividing that expense by the actual use of the elevator rather than by the expected one sounds potentially messy, but not necessarily wrong.
But they are paid for anyway (and more than any public transport one where the prices are based on avoiding congestion rather than the full expense of running them).
@valhalla @zmicier in finnish residential buildings the elevator expenses are part of a lump sum paid by owners (not necessarily tenants directly, though the expenses are of course included in the rent), and they are not differentiated by use or floor but rather just by the floor area of your apartment, ie. bigger apartment, bigger payment, no matter if it's on the first or tenth floor. in that sense, you don't pay for the elevator use but its existence, like how taxes subsidy public transport.
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in reply to mousebot • • •Diego Roversi
in reply to Crisp and clean diaper • •Most of vertical elevators travel for few second.
Most of horizontal elevators travel for minute if not hours.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Diego Roversi • •@Diego Roversi @Kiki Sorsan sisko also, vertical elevators that are part of the public transport system of a town do often require a ticket
(TIL that the ones in Genova no longer do so, but only for city residents, everybody else needs to pay for one)
A lot of the elevators I can think of are either private (and the costs are directly shared by the people who live in the building) or inside a shopping-related building (so the costs are probably paid by the shop owners with the obvious benefits)
Crisp and clean diaper
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla @diegor in my experience most elevators related to public transport are indeed free (eg. inside stations, going to platforms etc.), and they are basically treated as part of the street network like all those public elevators on bridges etc.
of course in some countries station elevators are behind the ticket gates, but i'd say that they are not there so that people would pay for using the elevators but rather just by coincidence.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Crisp and clean diaper • •@Kiki Sorsan sisko @Diego Roversi I was thinking those that are actually part of the transport network, e.g. in Genova there are elevators that connect different parts of the city, such as en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascensor…
(and here it's a complete list, but it's in Italian: amt.genova.it/amt/trasporto-mu… — and there is the announce that one of them is currently closed, and the service is provided by a *bus*)
I remember having seen similar things in other horizontally-challenged Italian towns, but I don't remember where
Crisp and clean diaper
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla'' • • •@valhalla @diegor cultural differences again! in finland all the elevators that are part of public transport or street network are free to use, or at least i have yet to see one with a fee.
the only elevators where you really have to buy a ticket are those that go up to a viewing platform and nowhere else, as they are nothing but tourist attractions. though even some of those are free, but there's a strong exception that you buy something from an adjacent cafe or restaurant.
Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Crisp and clean diaper • •źmicier | зміцер
in reply to Crisp and clean diaper • • •I've heard that many lifts in Georgia (or maybe just Tbilisi, not sure) in residential buildings are paid.
(I don't think it's a good idea. Just a tangent)
Crisp and clean diaper
in reply to źmicier | зміцер • • •Elena ``of Valhalla''
in reply to Crisp and clean diaper • •@Kiki Sorsan sisko @źmicier | зміцер here in Italy for residential buildings you get a bill every year to cover the common expenses, and there is a line for elevators that is usually proportional to the floor one lives on; dividing that expense by the actual use of the elevator rather than by the expected one sounds potentially messy, but not necessarily wrong.
But they are paid for anyway (and more than any public transport one where the prices are based on avoiding congestion rather than the full expense of running them).
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